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  • mlucek
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    George - Thanks for your reply.

    One very simple suggestion for organzing fora a bit here, and this has been suggested when you 1st took over as editor - is to create another forum for O.T. posts. That's a very simple addition to create in vBulletin (literally a few minutes). That alone should clean up the General forum quite a bit.

    Also think about appointing some forum moderators to help you with the task of dealing with the messages here.

    Mike

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  • George Bulliss
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    Just now saw this thread, so sorry for the late reply. I was away for five days and only checked in for a total of about ten minutes in that time. I know that there are plenty of things that could, and probably should, be done different but the reality is that I can’t spend as much time in this forum as I would like and have chosen the hands off approach partially out of need.

    That said, there are a few things I have been planning on doing but keep putting off. One of them is to revisit the rules. After some of the previous problems, I had plenty of good suggestions about what to include in a new list of rules. I am still considering posting some updated rules but am now leaning towards some rather general guidelines.

    The major concern I have with setting some new laws to live by is the fact that I am not around enough to enforce them in a consistent manner. If I lock someone for an infraction, I run the risk of starting up a storm because I just let ten people slide for the same thing. Rules without a consistent and fair enforcement aren’t going to help anyone.

    So, hopefully after Cabin Fever I will get around to taking care of a few loose ends. I am also planning on adding a CNC forum and a Gunsmithing forum. I know that the General forum will likely continue to be the most popular but I think having a few extras will help to keep some of the threads from getting buried so quickly and make searches a little easier.

    I am also thinking of combining the Networking and Third Hand forums. I want to place a sticky or two at the start of this forum that would contain links to threads to answer all those questions that get brought up again and again. I’m open to suggestions (did I just say that) but remember, I move slowly and will not have any time until I get caught up after Cabin Fever.

    On a more important note, we finally had a break in the weather long enough to find a tow truck that wasn’t busy and I was able to get the lathe off of my trailer. Just waiting on a vfd for it now.

    George

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  • PHiers
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    Originally posted by Evan
    Stop trying to rewrite history David. The average German was scared spitless of the Nazi Party and with good reason. The Jewish are White too.

    You forget about Eisenhower, Kennedy, won by landslides. You have been making some pretty heavy sweeping generalizations lately. Some are way off base. You need to take a critical look at your own writing before posting it, maybe wait half an hour and read it again.
    Evan you are right on Eisenhower, wrong on JFK. 1960 was at that time the closest race ever, came down to,of all states, Illinois! Other landslides were Nixon and Regan. JFK was my first vote,,,,,dang I am getting old.

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  • .RC.
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    Some posted rules would be handy, in light of the fact my Gaza thread got locked without an explanation, even though the only bitching in it was directed towards me.. Maybe I should have made it HSM friendly and asked what machines are Hamas using to make rockets in their home shops...

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  • oldtiffie
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    The Rules.

    Originally posted by Teenage_Machinist
    Helicoil: REALLY afraid that this was turning into an IOWOLF battle, read some stuff that happened more recently and made sense of it with your help, was asking about the rules not him.

    I am still hoping Buliss will at least read this, It's a matter of knowing when something is considered "auto lock", what other than obvious trolling or against-the-law ness will cause banning or warning. Moreover, I do not know of a post, and so some people end up selling things without knowing it is against rules, (even though it is on the bottom), ect
    Well Teenage_Machinist,

    I am glad you posted your OP to start this thread as it has raised some very pertinent issues.

    Never the less, if you read the "Rules" as posted for the "General" forum, you should find them quite "broad" and if used and/or interpreted correctly are very flexible if we self-regulate ourselves and stay within fairly broad limits:

    General (***Viewing)
    This forum reserved for your comments and discussion about anything pertaining to our magazines or machining and metalworking in general. It's a place for feedback, idea exchange, criticism, kudos, sharing your expertise, your hobby or virtually anything else that other home shop machinists would be interested in. I will be monitoring it on a regular basis and will participate as it seems appropriate. However, for the most part, it's your forum. I hope you will use it regularly.
    This seems to say just about all of it:
    It's a place for feedback, idea exchange, criticism, kudos, sharing your expertise, your hobby or virtually anything else that other home shop machinists would be interested in.
    That seems to be saying that just about anything can be discussed - but as George B said after the "Gurl" incident - politics and religion are either out or are to be constrained - seems very reasonable to me.

    This seems to say that if all is OK an occasional overview without any action is expected to be the case but if the "axe" is needed to be swung - it will be. It also pretty well says that it is entirely and solely within the authority that any of the Moderators have, but it is mainly the responsibility of George Bulliss.

    I will be monitoring it on a regular basis and will participate as it seems appropriate.
    That is the classic "Iron fist in velvet glove" method or approach.

    This seems to say that almost anything is OK providing we self-regulate and do the "right thing" individually and collectively.
    However, for the most part, it's your forum. I hope you will use it regularly.
    I think its no accident that the "General" Forum is so well patronised as it does cover most of what the other fora seem to have been meant to address.

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  • Teenage_Machinist
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    Helicoil: REALLY afraid that this was turning into an IOWOLF battle, read some stuff that happened more recently and made sense of it with your help, was asking about the rules not him.


    I am still hoping Buliss will at least read this, It's a matter of knowing when something is considered "auto lock", what other than obvious trolling or against-the-law ness will cause banning or warning. Moreover, I do not know of a post, and so some people end up selling things without knowing it is against rules, (even though it is on the bottom), ect

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  • .RC.
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    A couple of years ago this forum was a bastard of a place, newbies were jumped on if they asked a silly question...I saw more then one new member chased away..

    Today it has changed quite a bit and is quite a pleasant forum to visit...

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  • TECHSHOP
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    Anybody doing any machining?

    I have been away from here for several months, and I am glad to learn that not much has changed.

    Hope to read and post more in 2009.

    Welcome to all the new members who joined while I was off line in the "real world".

    PS. I ain't IOWOLF.
    PPS. I ain't millman.

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  • Your Old Dog
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    Originally posted by Teenage_Machinist
    Gah! I didn't come for an argument! If this dosent stop I'll ask Buliss to toss in a Helicoil.


    So basically there still is no concrete ruleset other than politics is often not OK and that selling stuff is not allowed.


    And "iowolf" was rude and sexist to "The Gurl" who is an assistant to welder Torker in Real Life, and caused arguments, and left,
    Hope you don't take this the wrong way, but let me try to explain it this way.

    Look kid, ................................. the men are talking here! Some are making good points and some like myself are likely making fools of themselves. You needn't feel responcible that the thread you started has veered of course to a road you feel is wrong. In the end it will all work out.

    BTW, nice to see some young blood in the board. I for one admire and am a bit envious of the energy you young guys have. That includes the Everready Wabbit, Evan

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  • Paul Alciatore
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    Here is what I have gathered from years of participation here.

    Number one, there are no posted rules. Or, if there are, they are lost in the early posts and all my efforts to find any via the archives or the search function are to no avail.

    Number two, this forum is sponsored by Village Press which is a commercial venture and depends on advertising for it's existence. They pay the bills and that money comes from the advertising in their magazines. So, as I understand it, they are opposed to any advertising that would conflict with that. This is completely understandable. I have seen some posts which pushed at this limit a bit and were tolerated so they are a little flexible here, but not a lot. We should all understand this and support them in it. A house divided can not stand.

    Number three, even though this is a home shop machining forum, off topic posts are permitted and should be marked "OT". Some subjects, like politics and religion, are less tolerated than others. This is probably because they are more likely to generate ill feelings. Flaming, as it is called, is not good manners either here or in person and should be avoided.

    Finally, on the subject of "flaming", posts that get too heated are locked by the moderators. This also is good as it will help to prevent ill will. Play nice with others and all that.

    I like this forum and the way it is handled. It is like a "water cooler" for home shop types. You can discuss machining problems and get good answers. You can discuss other things that interest you and get answers, sometimes good and sometimes bad. I don't know if we actually need real, written rules as it seems to have worked well up to now. I don't envy George if he is trying to write some as it could be a real difficult job. I do kind of like the old answer that I first heard in the 50s or 60s when it was applied to the struggle for a legal definition of pornography, "I can't define it, but I know it when I see it". I think we all understand what is bad behavior here when we see it.

    If you have a question about posting some particular subject, you could send George a message. I would not make a habit of this as I am sure he is quite busy. In the past when I had questionable topics, I simply did not post them here. There are other boards where they can be posted and I used them. In many cases, many of the members here are there also so it worked quite well. The Practical Machinist board is one such and it even has a forum for commercial posts if that is what you want to do. I am sure there are others that are also tolerant of this.

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  • dp
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    Originally posted by lazlo
    Is it just me, or has the signal to noise ratio improved a great deal since Election Day?
    Yah, but we're between Harbor Freight grinder threads. It's coming.

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  • lazlo
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    Originally posted by torker
    In short...the place is largely self moderated. Compared to other boards...George has a pretty easy time of it here.
    Geez, I don't know Russ -- I think this board may have had something to do with Neil retiring early
    I wonder if George knew what he was getting into when he took this part of the job (forum moderation)?

    Originally posted by YOD
    And as for the bit about kissing George's arse! I'll publicly kiss it. Thanks George for a great site, I really like it here and that you keep your sword hand out of it until the liberal boundary is reached.
    That's not a$s kissing, that's genuine gratitude, and I agree -- I appreciate George for putting up with all the crap here, and putting out the occasional fire. Is it just me, or has the signal to noise ratio improved a great deal since Election Day?

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  • dp
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    Originally posted by Teenage_Machinist
    Gah! I didn't come for an argument! If this dosent stop I'll ask Buliss to toss in a Helicoil.
    Just so you know - you (and all of us) are only thread starters, not the thread owner. Where they go once started is anyone's guess. Asserting ownership leads to a whole nuther set of social dynamics.

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  • torker
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    Originally posted by Teenage_Machinist
    Gah! I didn't come for an argument! If this dosent stop I'll ask Buliss to toss in a Helicoil.


    So basically there still is no concrete ruleset other than politics is often not OK and that selling stuff is not allowed.


    And "iowolf" was rude and sexist to "The Gurl" who is an assistant to welder Torker in Real Life, and caused arguments, and left,
    Yabut...you asked....now you are getting filled in on how things go around here.
    In short...the place is largely self moderated. Compared to other boards...George has a pretty easy time of it here.

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  • PTSideshow
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    As somebody that was in the middle of the incident, I will remind people that having known that Wolfie and I had real people contacts in common. Having received numerous E mails and PMs about his posting from people with children or grand children that read this board. And the people that know him, due to the internet filter of impersonality. He is not the person he came across as in the postings. If his wife knew his actions on the net she would be mortified and probably beat him over the head and shoulders with his computer.

    As been said he would have his user name and others to stir the pot if nobody else would. Along with a couple of cohorts keeping him in the loop.

    Like Torker said the comments about the gurl and other things, along with the picture he or his sidekick posted.
    were not appropriate for this forum.

    And as Boomer mentioned, To put it simply you don't call the man holding the biggest hammer out if your holding a rubber mallet! And not except him to drop it on you at least once.

    What a lot seem to forget is this forum is run by a for profit company, that publishes magazines on the subject matter of this and its other forums. The number of people that use this forum is larger than then the number that subscribe to the magazines and use this forum.

    With just the normal operating problems and upgrades etc they could save a bunch of money and headaches with out the web sites/forums.

    But as this thread has shown, the moderation on this board is of the light handed type. Or has been stated self regulating to a large extent.

    If you need some general rules on how to behave, here is as simple and clear as any. They are form the notice page at


    Originally posted by rake60 @Home Model Engine Machinist
    When I started this forum it was with the intention of maintaining a place
    free of derogatory comments, flaming, personal attacks and elitism.
    Posts that include such comments will be responded to immediately by
    a member of the management team. If that is not enough to make the
    point, further action will be taken.

    We all have a bad day once in a while. We all lose temper and say or type
    something we shouldn't have. That's normal human nature!
    Should that happen to be "just your style" there are several other home
    machining forums that will suit you much better.

    THIS forum is about building running model engines.
    Beginner or expert, all posts and replies will be civil and without condemnation.
    It will be a forum where no member will be afraid to post
    or ask a question for fear of being called down.

    If obtaining that goal requires us to block or delete an offending member
    that action will be taken.

    I regret having to put this into text, but the need is obvious.
    Have a great new year! and remember the internet isn't real, the doctor said its all in my imagination

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