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    This morning, after dropping my son off to a Boy Scout event, I thought I'd stop in at the store and pick up a Coke (My morning caffine).
    As I was going in, a girl and three guys, all of about 16, were comming out.
    The last one had what looked like two reciepts in his hand. He looked at them and just threw them on the ground! A trash can was no more that 10 feet away from them. I stoped in my tracks, and yelled " you gotta be kiddin' me, go pick up your garbage!"
    The girl looked at me like I was an alien. The other two guys looked at me and then told the third kid to pick up his garbage. The kid procceded to pick up the garbage, but mouthed me.
    When I gave him a little of what he was giving, one of the other guys looks at me and says "there's no need for this kind of disrespect"
    Man, I'm not that old but, It seems like this generation just lives by the mantra "what ever!" I sound like my father. But I'll tell you, I never even thought about doing or saying the things that they do.
    Unfortunatly, I see it in my oun kids. And I'm a hard ass. Yet they get it from the schools.

    OK, I've vented.

    Sid

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    There are some good kids out there, unfortunately you need near bionic vision to spy one.......LOL The elder respect amoungst other things appear to be all but gone it maybe the media generation constantly bombarded with e gadgets and youtube???????

    I recall driving home a few years ago after working a 12 hr nightshift and was weary when a kid wearing those pants halfway to the ground stepped out in front of me and another car at an unmarked crossing, we had to come to a complete stop to cater to him, when I shrugged my shoulders to imitate whats up he gave me the finger, I slammed on the parking brake and shot out of the drivers door at which point he was now on a run across the field, I yelled that I wasn't too old to take a round outa him.......the sad part is if I tried it today your takin a gamble on being shot but at some point where does the decay stop????????

    I hear ya loud and clear..........

    Not living in the big cities I'm not up on all that goes on but a recent activity boiled my blood, teen guys and gals on the subway slapping an elderly lady and taking pics of her reaction on their cellphones and sharing it with their friends.......I don't know if they'd be able to retrieve that phone from their innards but you'd probably only get a knife shoved into your back by their gutless coward friends.......
    Last edited by hardtail; 03-07-2009, 03:06 PM.
    Opportunity knocks once, temptation leans on the doorbell.....

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    • #3
      I've been pretty fortunate. Most of the kids I see are at the tech school, and none of them have been disrespectful to me. Most of them call me "Mr. Roger", which is fine with me.

      I just wish they knew more. It's pretty sad when they can't read a tape measure or don't know what a file (the metal kind) is.

      Roger
      Any products mentioned in my posts have been endorsed by their manufacturer.

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      • #4
        We live in a very quiet, small, New England city (not that that matters). One evening some years back when my kids were much younger, we were walking past a bench outside a stripline mall when several girls and guys were being pretty loud with language reserved for when you mill off your fingertip.

        I asked them to please watch their language. One of the girls without hesitation, told me to go f-ck myself. Not wanting to take it any further, my next response to the kids was ... "look guys, ice cream !" ... pointing to an ice cream store.

        Some grow out of this, some don't. They all become voters and we are now seeing the first results of our society's more recent efforts at rearing intelligent adults.

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        • #5
          Kids are like dogs. Very nice by themselves usually. When in packs, they feel invincible and above everything else.
          All the kids I am around are very professional driven and have a goal in life, to become an airline pilot. I never have to deal with the trash.

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          • #6
            I hear what you are all saying. I'm in my mid 40's and I don't remember even really thinking about disrespecting adults when I was a teenager, It just wasn't done!! My wife is a teacher, teaches freshman and sophomore English, and for the most part the kids are pretty good. The one thing she mentions on a regular basis is the general disrespect for the class and her. Not mean or foul language or that type of thing just generally talking and goofing off in class while she is talking or other students are trying to do their work. Example, she is currently doing Romeo and Juliet (sp?) in her freshman class. To give the kids a better understanding of the older language type and word usage she is having them read the play out loud in class, with the students reading various parts like the performers would onstage. Then they will discuss what they have read and ask questions etc. Generally she will have to interrupt the reading several times within the hour to shush over 1/4 of the class who are blatantly talking to each other, sometimes several rows apart . This is just disrespectful to the other members of the class that are really trying to participate. They just don't get it. It really tells you something when the 'special needs' kids (ADD, reading limited, English speaking limited etc..) generally have better grades and a better understanding of the material than the 'normal aptitude' kids.
            I just don't understand how we got so far off track with education. When I was in high school talking in class was almost a capitol infraction, unless the teacher specifically allowed it.

            Sorry, I guess this turned into a rant, not my intention

            Robin
            Robin

            Happily working on my second million Gave up on the first

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            • #7
              Originally posted by sid pileski
              This morning, after dropping my son off to a Boy Scout event, I thought I'd stop in at the store and pick up a Coke (My morning caffine).
              As I was going in, a girl and three guys, all of about 16, were comming out.
              The last one had what looked like two reciepts in his hand. He looked at them and just threw them on the ground! A trash can was no more that 10 feet away from them. I stoped in my tracks, and yelled " you gotta be kiddin' me, go pick up your garbage!"
              The girl looked at me like I was an alien. The other two guys looked at me and then told the third kid to pick up his garbage. The kid procceded to pick up the garbage, but mouthed me.
              When I gave him a little of what he was giving, one of the other guys looks at me and says "there's no need for this kind of disrespect"
              Man, I'm not that old but, It seems like this generation just lives by the mantra "what ever!" I sound like my father. But I'll tell you, I never even thought about doing or saying the things that they do.
              Unfortunatly, I see it in my oun kids. And I'm a hard ass. Yet they get it from the schools.

              OK, I've vented.

              Sid
              It isn't just the youth that do that. The other day I was sitting in my pickup at Home Depot, and a nice SUV pulled into a parking spot in front of me, and couple of rows over. The window goes down, and a cigarette butt flies out the window. A minute later a nicely-dressed gal in her 50's gets out and goes into the store. With that sort of example it's no wonder the kids act like they do.
              Jim

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              • #8
                the its our generation you're complaining about, we raised them. what goes around comes around. Our entire society is out for themselves, jobs go to china because consumers wanting 20 pairs of cheap running shoes, union workers strike for more despite it eventually pushing more jobs offshore, executives sell out shareholders and view the company's money as bounty, socialists want you taxed more so they can have more, etc etc etc. wall street bankers don't have an exclusive on greed, its always been part of the human condition but lately it seems its more manifested itself as the primary driver; no ones ashamed to have it out in front. Both parents work and plunk the kids in daycare and they see everyone as simply looking out for number one. no wonder they're messed. All one can do i think is try to be a good parent, love your kids and support them....personally i don't have the energy to sweat all idjits who did a lousy job at it
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                • #9
                  I'll tell you how we got so far off track. It's a combination of all the distracting techology crap around us combined, to some degree, with the behavior of high visibility individuals in society such as rappers, hollywood and a past president. Teens don't even talk now, they text across the room or to the next seat on a bus , and now, flirting and arranging "connections" by texting.

                  Many kids have no idea how to enjoy doing something with their minds and or hands. Not saying that as kids we sat down and built and painted bird houses all day but what kid today works on his car, or even HAS TO work on his car. Not many. Fix a sound system, nah. Fix a TV, nah. Fix something at all? Nah, and you can thank our Wal-marts for that.

                  One ray of hope is that there are still some good educators and some families out there who at least are leaving behind some semblance of a civilized people for future archeologists/anthropologists to study. Spope on this forum is one of them with the machine/tech classes that he runs which appear to inspire.

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                  • #10
                    I'm a pretty young guy myself. In fact, I'm only 20. I keep hearing the older folks here talking about kids "disrespecting adults". I grant people who are older than me a certain amount of respect based on age alone. I figure they've been around to see alot more crap than I have, and they deserve a little bit of respect for having to put up with it longer than I have.

                    But "adults" don't deserve any more respect than teens do. When I interact with people older or younger than I am, I base my interactions on what type of people they are. I've met people who were older than I am but who were infinitely less mature and less honest than I am. Do they deserve my respect just because they're older than I am? No. I think it's important to remember that everyone, no matter how old or young, are people and should be treated as such. Furthermore, you shouldn't expect respect unless you show some respect.

                    That being said, I agree with what you all have said. The examples that you've given are of teenagers who are clearly not respectable individuals. Nice job Sid, for calling them out. Alot of folks in my hometown let their children get away with murder. Personally, I'm looking forward to being an old man. I intend to be that grumpy old b*astard who sits in a rocking chair and yells at kids who walk on his lawn

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                    • #11
                      I was at a local convenience store the other day, and a kid about 12 bought a few snack items, and when the clerk started to put them in a bag, the youngster said, "I brought my own bag, here." The clerk asked him for something like $4.65, and the kid handed him a five and said, "Keep the change."

                      There are lots of good 'uns out there, and sometimes we see what we look for, if you know what I mean.
                      Cheers,

                      Frank Ford
                      HomeShopTech

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                      • #12
                        I'm sitting at a red light when the girl in front of me drops a pop can out the window. When the light turned green I pulled up to the can, opened the door and picked it up. I thought I'd follow her for a bit and not soon after that she pulls in the yard of a nice home. As I pulled up to the curb in front of her home it looked like she was greeting her mom in the driveway. Her mom looks in my direction to see what I wanted and I said, "here, you daughter dropped this at the red light a few miles back" and then I flung it out the window into the middle of their lawn. Nothing further was said, I just drove off.

                        I remember a "Give a Hoot, don't pollute" campain in the 60's that was very successfull. They made you feel guilty for throwing anything out the window. Looks like we're do to run the campain once again.
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                        • #13
                          BillH- I think you touched on a good point.
                          I find kids that have some goal in life tend to be more driven than to just exist.
                          My Kids included. I try to find the thing that they will have a passion for. But it's hard. I'm from the Skaneateles NY area. I think you know where that is.
                          In general, we're out in the country, but the "bad" influences are still here.
                          My wife stays at home, intensionaly for these reasons.
                          It's a never ending battle. Hope I (and my kids) win!

                          Sid

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                          • #14
                            I just got back from a three day product demo for some prospective clients from Israel. These folks were the smartest folks I have had the pleasure of working with in years, YEARS! I have never worked with a single individual from ANY U.S. Federal agency that was qualified to stand with these folks, very impressive. On top of that, the manners, and general behavior of these people reminded me of what I was used to as a child. I commented to my wife that if we wanted our children to get a good education we should leave the country.
                            James Kilroy

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by rdfeil
                              I hear what you are all saying. I'm in my mid 40's and I don't remember even really thinking about disrespecting adults when I was a teenager, It just wasn't done!! My wife is a teacher, teaches freshman and sophomore English, and for the most part the kids are pretty good. The one thing she mentions on a regular basis is the general disrespect for the class and her. Not mean or foul language or that type of thing just generally talking and goofing off in class while she is talking or other students are trying to do their work. Example, she is currently doing Romeo and Juliet (sp?) in her freshman class. To give the kids a better understanding of the older language type and word usage she is having them read the play out loud in class, with the students reading various parts like the performers would onstage. Then they will discuss what they have read and ask questions etc. Generally she will have to interrupt the reading several times within the hour to shush over 1/4 of the class who are blatantly talking to each other, sometimes several rows apart . This is just disrespectful to the other members of the class that are really trying to participate. They just don't get it. It really tells you something when the 'special needs' kids (ADD, reading limited, English speaking limited etc..) generally have better grades and a better understanding of the material than the 'normal aptitude' kids.
                              I just don't understand how we got so far off track with education. When I was in high school talking in class was almost a capitol infraction, unless the teacher specifically allowed it.

                              Sorry, I guess this turned into a rant, not my intention

                              Robin
                              Lots of parents now view the education system as a glorified daycare, think about it the next teachers strike, one parent in ten will complain about concern on lost days learning vs the outcry of inconviencing their work routine.....

                              Taxes seem to be so high now that the stay at home mom is a thing of the past.......whos raising our biggest investment in life ....our kids......

                              Credit has diminished the respect of the dollar.......don't worry about earning it just charge it on credit.....

                              This cellphone and texting thing is out of control........

                              FT you do raise good point on the respect thing, I guess years ago older mostly meant better societal values.......
                              Opportunity knocks once, temptation leans on the doorbell.....

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