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  • considering: Hardinge HLV-H

    Hi all,

    I realize that this is a loaded question but....I'm looking at a Hardinge HLV-H

    * 1977
    * Machine has original paint and looks very clean, used in a home shop
    * I might have to buy it sight unseen, it's a very long drive from my house
    * Price is 8k

    I've looked on ebay and similar machines seem to be going for a lot more.

    Assuming the lathe is sound, is this really a good price, and is there anything I should know about the HLV-H? I saw one in person yesterday at an auction and I'm pretty excited about getting my hands on one. Should have bought the one at the auction for 6.5k but I didn't really know what I was looking at. I did a bunch of research so I'm familiar with the general specs etc. but I'm wondering about things I might 'not' know from reading on the internet.

    thanks in advance

  • #2
    If it is really in that good of condition, it sounds like a good deal. Those are really nice machines (not as beautiful as a Monarch 10EE) that command a high price. Coming out of a home shop, rigging is always a consideration.
    Do you have a way to safely lift and load the machine (one that hopefully a horror freight engine hoist)?

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    • #3
      I have an '83 Feeler (HLV-H copy)

      Only real negative I can see is the center to center distance is quite limited compared to the SB9 it replaced, but the 1.5" through spindle elevated most of that (for me at least)

      lowest speed is about 110rpm which is faster than my SB but with the high speed threading capability of the HLV it's never been a factor.

      Is the 1977 a taper chuck mount? Personally a threaded chuck would be a slight negative over the taper chuck mount. Although threaded chucks on Ebay are a lot cheaper than taper chucks.

      I pinch bar'd mine off the trailer, drug it to the wall in my shop and turned a 6" long piece of aluminum. I measured .00005" taper across 6" with no attempt at leveling.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by MickeyD
        If it is really in that good of condition, it sounds like a good deal. Those are really nice machines (not as beautiful as a Monarch 10EE)
        The 10EE was designed in the early 1930's, and was on the market in 1939. The Hardinge is a much more modern design, which is why they sell for substantially more than a 10EE does.

        $8K for a late-model HLV-H in great condition, is a good deal, IMHO.
        "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did."

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        • #5
          The description says "cam nose." Does this make sense for an HLV?

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          • #6
            D1-3 camlock spindle.
            "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did."

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            • #7
              i wouldn't travel more than 100 miles if he don't send lots of pictures of it ..that's the only tip i can give.

              all the best.markj

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              • #8
                Originally posted by lazlo
                D1-3 camlock spindle.
                Could be. But then some people I've worked with refered to the pin slot on the taper as the cam slot. IMO for a HLV-H/EM I'd want the 4D taper nose as accesory stuff like step collet closers are a lot more common in the taper nose.
                Forty plus years and I still have ten toes, ten fingers and both eyes. I must be doing something right.

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                • #9
                  I bought a 74 model at an auction with only very poor grainy photos. Paid 6500 for the machine with no accessories. Like already said, it's heavier than you think, and not particularly easy to move around due to its unusual footing.
                  It is extremely accurate and easy to use. It is not a good only lathe if you do some larger work (I have a 15x30), and I have not enjoyed working between centers much. One other consideration is voltage. Be sure what it is - I run mine on a 230v rotary phase converter. Accessories are very plentiful. I have found complete collet sets with squares and hex, 3 jaw, 4 jaw, faceplate, steady and follower, radius jig, and taper attachment. I would go for it.
                  Greg

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by lazlo
                    D1-3 camlock spindle.
                    Nope, Hardinge taper spindle

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                    • #11
                      D1-3 camlock spindle was available as an option for the HLV-H Don.
                      "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did."

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                      • #12
                        both the HLVH and the 10EE are still supposedly available new from the factory. The 10EE is double the price of a HLVH.

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                        • #13
                          The problem we have had with them is clutch stuff. mostly from bozo's pushing them to hard. if they were using water based coolant it can get under the bed wipers and make a mess might be worth asking about. and its a little bit of work to regrind the bed but totally do-able. the metric/english dial thing can get gooped up but ussally just needs cleaning and the little cam locs for the compound get ruined but are easy to make ( same aforementioned bozo stuff)

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by lazlo
                            D1-3 camlock spindle was available as an option for the HLV-H Don.
                            I've seen literally hundreds of HLV-H's over the decades and never seen a single one with D1-3 spindle. Maybe this will be the first, but somehow I doubt it.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by quasi
                              both the HLVH and the 10EE are still supposedly available new from the factory. The 10EE is double the price of a HLVH.
                              For price comparison purposes of new lathes, the 10EE doesn't "count" really, as it's not really a new lathe but rather a "remanufacture" of an already manufactured machine. A "new" 10EE isn't so much a "manufactured" machine as a finely crafted reconstruction.

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