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    I just read that the EU is going to ban R-134a in the very near future. You know what that means to the price. I bet it goes the same way as R-12. Glad I have a good supply of R-12 and R-134a on the shelf.

    P/R

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    Any reasoning other than the normal "it might be bad so get rid of it"?

    134A was supposed to be the best end all do all for refrigerant. It was supposed to be healthy for the o-zone, not harmful to look at, bla, bla, bla.

    I guess we were duped again.
    rock~
    Civil engineers build targets, Mechanical engineers build weapons.

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    • #3
      I don't think there is a hell of a lot of difference between the 2 except that I have read that R-12 patent had expired. Anyone could make it, so let's get us a new coolant that is still under patent.

      It's entirely possible that R-134A patent is near to expiration, too.

      Cheers,

      George

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      • #4
        Refrigerant

        One refrigerant being promoted is Carbon Dioxide. The only problem is the high pressures. The old reliables, Ammonia or Propane also do a fine job.
        JRW

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        • #5
          Honeywell and DuPont have collaborated on a new "low global warming" refrigerant called 1234yf, which is close to a drop in substitute for 134a thermally. It has slight flammability, but probably not enough to preclude its use in automotive and consumer devices. This is to appease people who have no confidence in the ability of science to do anything right...except predict the weather...100 years from now.
          Davis

          "Nothing is impossible for the man who doesn't have to do it himself"

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          • #6
            The ban is apparently due to inefficiency of the gas. I can't help but wonder if anyone has given any thought to the inefficiency of banning a crucial consumer product without first establishing a suitable replacement.
            Wayne

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            • #7
              Originally posted by interrupted_cut
              ... This is to appease people who have no confidence in the ability of science to do anything right...except predict the weather...100 years from now.
              That's too funny! I'm going to have to remember that one.

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              • #8
                The real reason is the DIY all have finally purchased gauges and all the other R134a only equipment. So now is the time to bring in a new one
                Glen
                Been there, probably broke it, doing that!
                I am not a lawyer, and never played one on TV!
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                • #9
                  $90 USD will buy 30lbs of R134a from Sams Club. Might not be a bad investment... It's not like the stuff goes bad.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Nick1911
                    $90 USD will buy 30lbs of R134a from Sams Club. Might not be a bad investment... It's not like the stuff goes bad.

                    Especially if one is considering a little clandestine export to the EU.
                    Wayne

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                    • #11
                      Works great with much lower pressure. I have used it for years in my 88 G20 Van having a very small leak that nobody could find. I replace about on can per year.
                      http://autorefrigerants.com/co00033.htm

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                      • #12
                        One can hope

                        I hope the price goes up like 12 did, I bought 80 30lb jugs of 134 2 years ago and still have about 55 of them left. That would make for some real nice profit. Yessiree.

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