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  • Search has been turned off/disabled? Why?

    It seems odd that no search term I can think of returns anything but "no matches, try some other search term". Seems to be somehow made to not work.

    Why was search turned off in the first place? Seems remarkably silly, to be perfectly frank.

    I'd have searched for mention of the problem, but search doesn't work
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  • #2
    It works Jerry. This is a random search for "compressor"

    http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/sea...earchid=292668

    The VBulletin search software is pretty lousy -- it won't find search terms with 3 letters or less, so you can't search for "oil", for example...
    "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did."

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    • #3
      Just search with Google. It's quicker and reduces server load. To search for "compressor"

      compressor: site:http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/
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      • #4
        V-bulletin software if full of bugs. I can post an image that will crash your browser and very possibly your OS as well just by attempting to load the post. Of course I won't explain how to do it but it is incredibly easy.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by lazlo
          The VBulletin search software is pretty lousy -- it won't find search terms with 3 letters or less, so you can't search for "oil", for example...
          The idiot who put that limit on is hopefully suffering from a sore rump...... it is idiotic, as 3 letters includes lots of nouns. 2 letters would not.......

          He also failed to say "insufficient letters for search"... just says "nothing found.

          What an idiot.
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          • #6
            It is a common thing for indexers to ignore certain classes of words. Some are sophisticated enough ignore stop words such as articles, and words that carry no importance for a search. Others use letter count and 3 is a very common letter count to ignore. Letter count is the easiest to deploy and so very popular.

            Here's a list of typical stop words: http://www.link-assistant.com/seo-stop-words.html

            They generally will cause a search engine to overload if they were allowed because they're found everywhere, thus diluting effective searching. Stop word analysis is a very big science these days since computing time is money. Tautologies are a big area of study.

            It is possible to write a perfectly syntactically correct paragraph that is also meaningful using only stop words, and Google will ignore it. There should be a game based on that: the longest stop words passage that google will ignore

            Believe it or not an effective stop word for this site would be machine or machinist as that is so common as to be insignificant to the results.
            Last edited by dp; 06-14-2009, 01:19 PM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by dp
              It is a common thing for indexers to ignore certain classes of words. Some are sophisticated to allow stop words such as articles, and words that carry no importance for a search. Others use letter count and 3 is a very common letter count to ignore. Letter count is the easiest to deploy and so very popular.

              Here's a list of typical stop words: http://www.link-assistant.com/seo-stop-words.html

              They generally will cause a search engine to overload if they were allowed because they're found everywhere, thus diluting effective searching. Stop word analysis is a very big science these days since computing time is money. Tautologies are a big area of study.

              It is possible to write a perfectly syntactically correct paragraph that is also meaningful using only stop words, and Google will ignore it. There should be a game based on that: the longest stop words passage that google will ignore

              Believe it or not an effective stop word for this site would be machine or machinist as that is so common as to be insignificant to the results.
              Try a search for "way oil"...... relevant, not a ridiculous term, not searching for "the".......

              But you cannot search for "way oil". And there is no equal term.

              The WORD search won't accept valid PHRASES
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              • #8
                Originally posted by J Tiers
                Try a search for "way oil"...... relevant, not a ridiculous term, not searching for "the".......

                But you cannot search for "way oil". And there is no equal term.

                The WORD search won't accept valid PHRASES
                yep - that's because this site uses the easier to deploy letter count rather than stop words.

                This works very well at google: "way oil" site:bbs.homeshopmachinist.net

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                • #9
                  Speaking of google search - they have some deep sophistication regarding stop words and phrasing. The following words are all stop words:

                  be not or to

                  They are also part of an oft quoted passage from Shakespear's Hamlet; "To be, or not to be: that is the question". Rearranging the words in the google search window will modify the results - or more accurately, reorder the results. So even though they are stop words that does not mean they are entirely without value to google's search engine. They are considered in a different context.

                  Imagine the algorithm research, coding effort, and computation power that goes into something like this.

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                  • #10
                    Some years ago Google announced that they would in the future include the word "the" in search terms as it was too important to leave out. Example: "The boat" as in the English translation of "Das Boot", the German WWII story of a submarine crew. Ignore "the" and all you have is "boat", no hope of finding the movie.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by J Tiers
                      Try a search for "way oil"...... relevant, not a ridiculous term, not searching for "the".......

                      But you cannot search for "way oil". And there is no equal term.

                      The WORD search won't accept valid PHRASES
                      http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/sea...earchid=292725

                      found with way_oil

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by aboard_epsilon
                        found with way_oil
                        That's interesting -- VBulletin lets you chain keywords together with an underscore? The weird part is that it finds very few matches for way_oil, when we've discussed that topic here a thousand times...

                        I just tried searching for "way oil" and the search fails. I'd swear that the later versions of VBulletin let you do that, but I just tried it on PracticalMachinist, and it doesn't work either.
                        "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did."

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                        • #13
                          Searching the VP HSM BBS

                          Originally posted by dp
                          It is a common thing for indexers to ignore certain classes of words. Some are sophisticated enough ignore stop words such as articles, and words that carry no importance for a search. Others use letter count and 3 is a very common letter count to ignore. Letter count is the easiest to deploy and so very popular.

                          Here's a list of typical stop words: http://www.link-assistant.com/seo-stop-words.html

                          They generally will cause a search engine to overload if they were allowed because they're found everywhere, thus diluting effective searching. Stop word analysis is a very big science these days since computing time is money. Tautologies are a big area of study.

                          It is possible to write a perfectly syntactically correct paragraph that is also meaningful using only stop words, and Google will ignore it. There should be a game based on that: the longest stop words passage that google will ignore

                          Believe it or not an effective stop word for this site would be machine or machinist as that is so common as to be insignificant to the results.
                          Thanks Dennis.

                          A real "eye-opener" - for me anyway.

                          Is there an easier way to search the HSM BBS out beyond 12 months? This is because I/we are into "archive" territory then and just about every post has to be searched - which is a problem if you/I don't have an accurate idea of the date/time the post was posted?

                          I have no other real problems with the VP HSM BBS that I am aware of as I can put up with minor problems as they are far out-weighed by the convenience of having the BBS and access to it.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Evan
                            Some years ago Google announced that they would in the future include the word "the" in search terms as it was too important to leave out. Example: "The boat" as in the English translation of "Das Boot", the German WWII story of a submarine crew. Ignore "the" and all you have is "boat", no hope of finding the movie.
                            Brilliant film, that realistic I didn't have a bath for 2 months.

                            Anyway what's wrong with search? just typed in Pink circle and got two hits
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                            Sir John , Earl of Bligeport & Sudspumpwater. MBE [ Motor Bike Engineer ] Nottingham England.



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                            • #15
                              got*it

                              http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/sea...earchid=292788

                              WAY*OIL

                              All the best.markj

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