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    Was looking to purchase some HSS dies for the shop, and was wondering about the quality of their Import HSS dies. Sometimes these "imports" are from Japan, Czech, etc and quite good.

  • #2
    they are junk ! I bought some enco import dies from 0-80 to 2-56 and they were junk. returned them and the replacements were just as bad. find USA made dies

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    • #3
      In the past I've got good quality dies from Japan and Poland but it seems like they aren't available any longer. I have a very old adjustable American made HSS 0-80 die. It was getting a little long in the tooth so I ordered a new one from Enco/Travers/MSC and it was junk. I contacted them and they were great. They said keep the old one and we'll send you a new one. That's all well and good except the new one is no better than the first one. I was relating my story to a machinist friend and he said buy American. The problem is they didn't list a die of this size made in the States. He said he would contact his supplier, which he did. The supplier was given all the information, 0-80, HSS, adjustable and American. What I got was American but made from carbon steel. To top it off it wouldn't cut. After examination under a strong magnifier I saw that one of the 3 cutting flutes had no threads on it. I showed it to my friend who verified my findings and sent it back to his supplier. The supplier verified our findings and said he would go with another "American" company. The next one I got was non adjustable and it didn't have HS marked on it anywhere although that was the ordering criteria. It was also .750 diameter instead of .812. I had posted a thread on this same subject quite awhile back to not much avail. I will repost my same request. If anyone knows POSITIVELY where a 0-80, HSS, adjustable, quality die can be found please let me know. I will even accept an import as I can't find an American one any better than the original junk I purchased.
      gbritnell

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      • #4
        George; Do you want right hand or left hand? T&S Tool & Supply lists both in HSS 13/16" adjustable dies. Their cutting tools are usually European or US, they will tell you country of origin.

        I don't deal with ENCO, too much trouble and too much junk. T&S is local to me, I call to check if it is in stock and drive over to pick it up.

        www.tstool.com or 419-866-5507. They take phone orders.
        Jim H.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by gbritnell
          In the past I've got good quality dies from Japan and Poland but it seems like they aren't available any longer.
          OSG dies are Japanese, and they're superb. I get them from MSC/J&L during the 30% off sales.
          "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did."

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          • #6
            Originally posted by gbritnell
            In the past I've got good quality dies from Japan and Poland but it seems like they aren't available any longer. I have a very old adjustable American made HSS 0-80 die. It was getting a little long in the tooth so I ordered a new one from Enco/Travers/MSC and it was junk. I contacted them and they were great. They said keep the old one and we'll send you a new one. That's all well and good except the new one is no better than the first one. I was relating my story to a machinist friend and he said buy American. The problem is they didn't list a die of this size made in the States. He said he would contact his supplier, which he did. The supplier was given all the information, 0-80, HSS, adjustable and American. What I got was American but made from carbon steel. To top it off it wouldn't cut. After examination under a strong magnifier I saw that one of the 3 cutting flutes had no threads on it. I showed it to my friend who verified my findings and sent it back to his supplier. The supplier verified our findings and said he would go with another "American" company. The next one I got was non adjustable and it didn't have HS marked on it anywhere although that was the ordering criteria. It was also .750 diameter instead of .812. I had posted a thread on this same subject quite awhile back to not much avail. I will repost my same request. If anyone knows POSITIVELY where a 0-80, HSS, adjustable, quality die can be found please let me know. I will even accept an import as I can't find an American one any better than the original junk I purchased.
            gbritnell
            You might try calling some local Model Railroad stores. The ones in my area (Sacramento) generally carry unusual sizes in either American or quality imports. Sizes down to 00 in taps and dies are frequently used in model railroading.
            Last edited by gnm109; 06-15-2009, 08:56 PM.

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            • #7
              I did a quick internet search and found Victor machinery exchange, JTS and Fastenal all show 13/16 round,adjustable,HSS dies. None say made in USA JIM
              jim

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              • #8
                This is the OSG die that I got from the tool supplier. Remember from my other posting that I said round adjustable, high speed, 0-80 and American. This was his second attempt. It cuts ok but a little undersize. Next to it is my old die which still cuts better than any new one I've purchased. Jim, I appreciate your offer but I don't trust anyone selling tools anymore. I realize that they are just vendors but it's disgusting when you're willing to pay the price but can't get quality. By the way the OSG that you see pictured was $21.00.



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                • #9
                  George, give them a call. They are real people who know the business, not order takers. They are a full line dealer and handle OSG as well as other lines.

                  I very rarely purchase any new tooling as I usually acquire it in my quest for merchandise. When I do buy, I either use McMaster Carr or T&S. I throw the Enco flyers I get away unread.
                  Jim H.

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                  • #10
                    MSC (mscdirect.com) carries dies including US made Greenfield dies in sizes 0-80 and up. They aren't cheap, the 0-80 die is $25.71 each.

                    BTW, I have had no real problem with the dies I have purchased from Enco including a 10-32 adj one I recently purchased from them.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by lazlo
                      OSG dies are Japanese, and they're superb. I get them from MSC/J&L during the 30% off sales.
                      You know, I checked the 2009 MSC and J&L catalogs, and they don't carry OSG anymore

                      Like Sidney says, they do carry Greenfield, but Holy Smokes they're expensive!
                      "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did."

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                      • #12
                        I stopped by T&S today, and they do have 13/16" 0-80 split dies, one right hand and two left hand in stock. They are Polish, under $10.00.
                        Jim H.

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                        • #13
                          Getting screwed??? Again???

                          How about seeing where a really good die etc. is and what it costs.

                          Then do a cost vs benefit analysis (including what a stuff-up due to "cheap-skating" etc. will cost) to see if the job warrants the cost.

                          If it does - buy the dearer/best/better die etc. and get on with it

                          If not - buy the cheaper item and take your chances.

                          Either way should settle the issue.

                          It seems that there is more concern about people getting screwed than there is about screwing the job.

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                          • #14
                            Hi oldtiffie, I think the object of this thread is to find a quality die. As I had stated, I paid $22.00 for the one I got so it wasn't a matter of cost it was trying to find a quality tool.
                            gbritnell

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                            • #15
                              It doesn't get any better than that

                              Thanks gbritnell.

                              A good result all round - pretty well what I was saying.

                              As you are satified with the tool cost and performance it doesn't get better than that.

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