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    Why is it when a buyer inquires about an item for sale 9 times out of 10 the seller has to state that their item is American made and not cheap import junk. Some how justifying whatever quality they are pushing as better because it was made and worn out in the USA.
    I would think quality and reputation would be all a seller needs to hawk their product. Bashing the competition whatever the quality is playground mentality.
    rant off.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Bmyers
    worn out in the USA
    This seems to be everywhere but with the economy I think that I'm seeing it more. Those that have money are shopping right now looking for deals. Those needing money what you to think what they have is the best and dont want to deal.

    I looked at a clamping device at a yard sale the other day. It was a Henric type quick clamp. The seller had way too much money on it. So I talked to him a little and made a reasonable offer based on the fact that it was missing parts and useless as it was. He didnt take it and then lectured me about the fact it was made in the USA and was the best ever and I should feel bad for making the offer. I countered by telling him that while I didnt disagree with what he was saying, his comments were only valid when the item was new. Now, rusty and missing many parts, I felt that it was only worth my offer.

    He was furious. Cant imagine why the guy had a yard sale if he cant have a conversation. But, I drove by after the sale and found the item in the trash at the curb. And yes, I grabbed it and a few more things.

    I thought that I might feel bad so I considered leaving him a 5 spot in the mailbox. Then I came to my senses.

    rock~
    Civil engineers build targets, Mechanical engineers build weapons.

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    • #3
      I live in a rural area where my friend operates a second-hand shop. It is a useful arrangement since he often calls me when he gets in an interesting tool.

      He told me yesterday that he notices that with the failing economy, people are bringing in fewer used items to sell and when they do bring something in or if he sees something at a yard sale, prices are higher and people don't want to haggle as in the past.

      I guess if you don't see a future where you can buy more "stuff" then maybe you don't want to sell the "stuff" you have so cheaply. I'm not sure what's going on.

      When I go to a yard salw or a swap meet, if I can't make a deal on something, I just walk away and let the proud owner keep his "stuff".


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      • #4
        Cheap import junk is cheap import junk, now way getting around it. Good import junk is another thing entirely. I think you end up getting what you pay for in the end, and time after time I hear indiviuals justify (new) cheap import junk with rationals like "you can expect to do a little fine tuning and replace some fasteners with good ones, otherwise it's a bargain"
        Used and worn out, that I'll agree with for sure, but begs the question how do you compare a used and well worn Kurt vise with an import Kurt vise clone?


        Gary
        Gary


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        • #5
          Rock, I think you were dealing with a delusional and ignorant person.

          As for the made in American slogan, I don't think it means anything 90% of the time. Just bought a John Deer riding lawnmower and I bought it not because it was made in the USA, but because it was the best value. More often than not, I don't trust the label "made in xxxxx". I see canned pineapple that read "product of Canada" on the label.

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          • #6
            Well like the old adage goes "My things are good stuff... your stuff is just crap... but your crap can become my stuff... if the price is right."

            You must be looking at Vintage Crap as we.. The US have not made much of anything in the last 25 of so years. Yep I put a reasonable offer on a large item that needed a ton of work... seller/holder/keeper would not budge and came back with all you lowballers are the same lookin to get somthin' fer nothin'. I said nope just looking at it in the cold light of day and it's only worth X to me and then I have to fix it up to boot.

            rockrat... He would not take your money but will pay to have it hauled away in the trash... priceless.
            Wow... where did the time go. I could of swore I was only out there for an hour.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by goose
              Cheap import junk is cheap import junk, now way getting around it. Good import junk is another thing entirely. I think you end up getting what you pay for in the end, and time after time I hear indiviuals justify (new) cheap import junk with rationals like "you can expect to do a little fine tuning and replace some fasteners with good ones, otherwise it's a bargain"
              Used and worn out, that I'll agree with for sure, but begs the question how do you compare a used and well worn Kurt vise with an import Kurt vise clone?


              Gary

              You said it yourself, is it a good quality import Kurt clone or a piece of crap. A quality import may be better then a old worn out item but crap is crap new or old.
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              • #8
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                Originally posted by Bmyers
                Why is it when a buyer inquires about an item for sale 9 times out of 10 the seller has to state that their item is American made and not cheap import junk. Some how justifying whatever quality they are pushing as better because it was made and worn out in the USA.
                I would think quality and reputation would be all a seller needs to hawk their product. Bashing the competition whatever the quality is playground mentality.
                rant off.
                The decline is politeness is what I have labeled as "advertisers libb." Some time about the late 80's advertisers started putting little jabs into their commercials about their competitors products being inferior. As time moved along the little subtle jabs became loud and obnoxious attacks on everything related to their competitors, including their logos, way they dressed, and their poor comb overs. It is just the way politics is now, it is not about issues any more but cheap insults and finger pointing. Even the fast food guys are "duking it out" on TV as to who should eat what. Unfortunately, society seems to have slid down the slipery slope of playground antics.
                Jim (KB4IVH)

                Only fools abuse their tools.

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                • #9
                  Well get over IT! And get use to it. With the cap and trade, and the free trade and everything else that is happening in the world.
                  Manufacturing base will never return to the US/Canada unions.

                  When I see flat bed semi's parked 5 in a row with newer longing robot arms outside the local scarp yard. and he is ever expanding is domain in the 1/2 mile strip of land between streets he is located on. And all the other newer/clean High tech equipment. Being chopped up in his yard.

                  It will never even get close, to the good old days.
                  Glen
                  Been there, probably broke it, doing that!
                  I am not a lawyer, and never played one on TV!
                  All the usual and standard disclaimers apply. Do not try this at home, use only as directed, No warranties express or implied, for the intended use or the suggested uses, Wear safety glasses, closed course, professionals only

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                  • #10
                    Seems ya gotta have "Attitude" today !

                    Rude is the new polite, from the everybody has a "tude" on TV, movies,music,the internet and of course the street!
                    I had to remove a new member from another forum, because she couldn't understand that we didn't practice her form of communication, cussing everybody out,using text spell, calling people names and making fun of stuff.

                    What she couldn't understand is why nobody would answer her questions. And when I did, she told me that I was stupid because she didn't give a rat's @$$ for insurance, safety or the inspectors. For a sculpture that had flames shooting out all over it turned out it was for a Burning man type gathering. And when somebody said something about it getting rowdy at those.
                    She said that the forum was religious intolerant! I had not known burning man had reached the level of a religion. What it seems is the younger are more into this "Tude" thing and it seems to be getting worse the younger they get.
                    Glen
                    Been there, probably broke it, doing that!
                    I am not a lawyer, and never played one on TV!
                    All the usual and standard disclaimers apply. Do not try this at home, use only as directed, No warranties express or implied, for the intended use or the suggested uses, Wear safety glasses, closed course, professionals only

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                    • #11
                      Since it's a rant, I'll chime in. The rather lousy attitudes we are seeing in public aren't so much a function of age but circumstance. I know I'm one of the youngest ones here and I know I don't behave discourteously intentionally unlike some folks I have seen. The key point I see is that you can be rude to others if and only if you have either nothing invested in a relationship or only money invested in the relationship.

                      Since most of what we use on a daily basis is made and sold by faceless corporations, it seems a culture of rudeness is developing to maximize efficiencies in procuring life's essentials. It seems acceptable on the surface because companies have reduced their statures to multi-national vending machines without a humanistic component.

                      People don't stop to think that individual people have to invent the tools that those who cannot produce tools must use. The myopic ones fail to see that dealing with someone with the capacity to create tools beyond what he/she was handed is a different type of transaction than interacting with a vending machine which doesn't have feelings and might drop some free product if kicked hard enough.

                      I doubt that the same number of people were rude to the local blacksmith a hundred years ago because rude people with no redeeming qualities would soon lack farm implements and horseshoes.

                      In conclusion, I think that chronically rude people lack the work ethic to be worth helping and the sense to tell the difference between help given out of human kindness and consulting for which a fee is customarily charged.

                      --Cameron

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                      • #12
                        I have recently started buying my own tool bits with my own money, and I find it to be a good rule of thumb to buy things that are made in USA or Europe. I still try to find good bargains, and I haven't yet gotten any duds.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by beanbag
                          I a good rule of thumb to buy things that are made in USA or Europe.
                          I dont disagree, my grip is; I was looking at some used tooling from vendors who sell HSM type stuff. I was told by both that what they were selling was made in USA so it has to be better than the import junk. I happen to have compared the USA tooling to the import junk (sold by a reputable online seller) and in this case the import meets or exceeds the original hard to find stuff. And what the USA guys were selling was tooling of questionable condition.
                          I even had one vendor tell me to trust him because he had been an engineer in a past life. Implying those who weren't are less honest ? Good thing I am one too
                          I think the whole thing is a cop out from the sellers
                          Last edited by Bmyers; 07-17-2009, 04:55 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Old timers are always mentioning the younger generation going to hell. (I'm only 70!)

                            Per Cicero: "Oh Tempora, Oh mores!"
                            (oh these times, these customs)

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                            • #15
                              "Why is it when a buyer inquires about an item for sale 9 times out of 10 the seller has to state that their item is American made and not cheap import junk."

                              Same reason that 100% of the time the junk they are pedaling isn't under power.
                              I just need one more tool,just one!

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