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    Originally posted by pcarpenter
    Michael-- I looked at that press in a tool store near Oklahoma City once. It looks pretty decent, all things considered. The only down side to the design is that the power head is fixed where some that large allow it to be moved side to side.

    Coincidentally, on that same trip to Oklahoma to visit family, I picked up a genuine Dake 50 ton press frame that I had just won on Ebay for exactly $46! Turns out it had some damage from some hayseed that used it to split firewood with only one of the pins in the bed on each side. This resulted in stretching the pin holes in both the frame and bed sections. I welded plugs in the existing bed pin holes and put a reinforcing patch of 1/2" plate over those and have yet to re-drill the holes there. I am flipping the channel iron sections that make up the bed so that all the years of dings and damage are on the bottom. I am also going to weld up the bottoms of the stretched frame holes and clean them back out with a die grinder, using the bed as a guide to insure that all 4 pins will make contact when in use. (Each side is supposed to get one pin through a hole in the bed and one pin below the bed. Anyway, it's quite stout. Given that the press was missing the Dake powerhead (the thing that makes them $4k new), I was looking for ideas on how to power this thing. IN the end, I stopped by Grizzly and bought the power unit from their 50 T press and an HF foot/ air over hydraulic pump to use as an actuator. I like the idea of being able to nudge things in place without the use of air which could let you overdo something pretty easily. I have a scheme that will allow me to move that power head from side to side hanging from rollers and then clamp it in place for work...allowing me to use it off-center for more work envelope.

    Back to the press you were looking at, though....I believe it uses the same or a similar cylinder unit. The thing looked quite impressive overall.

    Paul
    Could you provide a link to the Grizzly power unit and the HF foot/air pump you are going to use?

    Thanks

    TMT

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    Originally posted by radkins
    I am taking the warning(s) about the plates very seriously, as the old saying goes if there is that much smoke there must be some fire so I will chunk them into the trash as soon as I get home with this thing. I have lots of 1" plate on hand so I can cut out some new ones in various shapes as needed.

    Don't throw them away. They make great doorstops.

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    I would be interested in what bases owners have used to mount the too short for primetime HF hydraulic presses.

    Also has anyone put a hydraulic press on wheels so it can be moved around the shop? HSM shops are usually at a premium for free space.

    TMT

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    Originally posted by dave727
    And a related story to the exploding press plates, I heard of a guy killed by a chunk of brass that flew off a part during a press operation.

    It went into his neck and hit an artery. So full face-neck shield a very good idea when using a shop press.

    Any hydraulic press should have a safety cage.

    Very few do.

    It is an addition that any HSMer can build for their hydraulic press.

    TMT

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  • MichaelP
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    Posted by mistake. Deleted.

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  • Michael Moore
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    Hi Paul,

    I didn't know that Grizzly sells a similar press. They claim 50T for theirs and the price plus shipping ends up being $20 less than the local one. But the Grizzly is a hand pump and not air/hydraulic.

    I'm leery of some of the used stuff. I've learned that I am usually better off avoiding the "oh, I can buy that and fix it up!" deal and instead just paying some more money to get something that works from the beginning.

    I'm sure the $750 import is not going to be built with the precision of the press that Dave Propst built:

    http://davepropst.com/Article/Art6/Article6.htm

    but then Dave uses his most every day in his car restoration business.

    I'll have to watch Craigs List for awhile and see what comes up. Luckily I'm not in a rush to buy, but it is nice to know this new press is available locally at any moment I feel the urge to buy it.

    cheers,
    Michael

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  • DR
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    A few years back a friend gave me a generic Taiwan 20 ton press.

    Trying to do a difficult press fit job the top cross framework buckled, making the press useless. To clarify, I was pumping until the ram wouldn't move the part any longer (basically, against a hard stop). Apparently, the weakest link gave way.

    Anybody else had this problem?

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  • pcarpenter
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    Michael-- I looked at that press in a tool store near Oklahoma City once. It looks pretty decent, all things considered. The only down side to the design is that the power head is fixed where some that large allow it to be moved side to side.

    Coincidentally, on that same trip to Oklahoma to visit family, I picked up a genuine Dake 50 ton press frame that I had just won on Ebay for exactly $46! Turns out it had some damage from some hayseed that used it to split firewood with only one of the pins in the bed on each side. This resulted in stretching the pin holes in both the frame and bed sections. I welded plugs in the existing bed pin holes and put a reinforcing patch of 1/2" plate over those and have yet to re-drill the holes there. I am flipping the channel iron sections that make up the bed so that all the years of dings and damage are on the bottom. I am also going to weld up the bottoms of the stretched frame holes and clean them back out with a die grinder, using the bed as a guide to insure that all 4 pins will make contact when in use. (Each side is supposed to get one pin through a hole in the bed and one pin below the bed. Anyway, it's quite stout. Given that the press was missing the Dake powerhead (the thing that makes them $4k new), I was looking for ideas on how to power this thing. IN the end, I stopped by Grizzly and bought the power unit from their 50 T press and an HF foot/ air over hydraulic pump to use as an actuator. I like the idea of being able to nudge things in place without the use of air which could let you overdo something pretty easily. I have a scheme that will allow me to move that power head from side to side hanging from rollers and then clamp it in place for work...allowing me to use it off-center for more work envelope.

    Back to the press you were looking at, though....I believe it uses the same or a similar cylinder unit. The thing looked quite impressive overall.

    Paul

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  • radkins
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    I got my press yesterday. Took about a half hour to assemble and then it was ready to go and I didn't have a dang thing that needed pressing. I took the latest 20% off coupon to Harbor Freight and after looking this thing over I think I have another one of HF's bargain items. Fellows I know HF has some real junk but they have some decent stuff too and things like my 7 year old (and much used!) metal cutting bandsaw plus various other almost free tools that are holding up just fine have been worth a lot more than they cost.

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  • Michael Moore
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    I just sold some bikes and was thinking it might be time to look at a press. It would need an honest 20T to do some big m/c pressed cranks that have a lot of interference in good steel. I probably don't want to use a press more than a handful of times a year, but when I do it is annoying to not have access to one.

    Rutland and MSC have a lot of Dake presses and they are no doubt very nice but expensive. I'd like to have a quality US/Euro press but not at $3K and up for something that won't see a great deal of use.

    I just looked at CL and found a place here in the SF Bay Area that is offering this import press:

    http://www.broadwaylifts.com/product_p/45tsp.htm

    $759 for the claimed 45T sounds very appealing.

    Even if that does only an honest 20T it might be a deal IF it doesn't just dump all the fluid/air out on the floor after 10 minutes of use.

    Presses are an item of which I've got no first hand knowledge. But $800 sounds very affordable (if I can find someplace to put it in the garage).

    Anyone have any knowledge on this size import press?

    cheers,
    Michael

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  • Boucher
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    Things are not allways what they appear

    I had a big box of empty shotgun hulls packaged and ready to ship to a friend. They were stolen from the back seat of my car. I allways wondered what the crook thought when he opened them.

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  • radkins
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    Actually the package trick is an old one and I have used it a couple of times to dispose of junk. I had a neighbor who disposed of a dead dog using that method! I don't think I would go that far and I suppose doing something like that may even be illegal (if not it should be!) but the thief would get what he deserves.

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  • Your Old Dog
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    Originally posted by saltmine
    You could do what I did with some scrap cast iron, once, Y.O.D.

    Nobody wanted it, it was heavy, and useless for anything but a paperweight.

    So....I put it into a close fitting cardboard box, and gift wrapped it, complete with a bow. I left it in the back of my pickup, and within two days, somebody stole it....BTW, that was when I still lived in Los Angeles....
    I love it! I can just imagine the thoughts running thru some crooks mind as he makes off with it!!! Maybe put some radiation stickers on it

    By the way, to the original poster. I had no trouble getting mine home in a Ford Escort with fold down seats. I had them take it out of the big box and put the parts in the trunk. Taking them out one at a time was simple project.

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  • Black_Moons
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    Thanks for the detailed discription of that wire, I have one on my pnumatic pipe bender.. Probley should remove it now that I think about it, its just annoying, and come on, its pnumatic, how lazy do you have to be to not hold down a lever?

    Best not to buy floor models.. they often can be damaged by careless employees/customers.. or missing parts.

    Also best not to assume anything on the floor is properly assembled, or any bolts tightened. Even fully assembled lathes/mills from china have been known to have 'weakly' tightened fasteners in places. (I guess assembley guys sometimes forget to fully tighten after hand tighten)

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  • Arcane
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    Years ago I picked up a 20 ton rated one, (looks almost identical to the one mark posted) from Princess Auto at a discounted price which was further discounted for that day only, hell of a deal! It was marked down because there was no jack with it. I fabricated a sliding plate to hang from the underside of the top crossmember and welded a spud onto it to hold my 10 ton port-a-power ram and I hang my hand pump on the side. That isn't exactly the ideal position for it but it works. Being able to slide the "push point" over to the side gives me the ability to do presses on stuff that I couldn't do if I tried to use the factory setup and I have only encountered one situation where I actually needed more tonnage than what I had to do the job.I also put a couple of fairly decent casters on the bottom, two fixed and two swivel, it sure is nice to be able to roll it out of the way to clean up behind it, plus I have it in front of a shelving unit that I infrequently need to get to. Now I really need to build myself a nice little rolling cubby hole unit to hold all the little (and some not so little!) bits of metal I use for spacers. It sure is nice to be able to turn specialty pieces, bushings and the like on the old 9" SB to do specific jobs!

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