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    I may be the boy who cried wolf. I hope that I worry over nothing. I have worked with computers and networks since 1993. I have been involved in building the system that we now use. Every aspect of the industry now is being pried open by government intrusion. A new protocol of "protection" of information is "guaranteed" by the new HIPPA requirements on healthcare information. At the same time that these "guarantees" of privacy are offered, they require that ALL the clinical private notes of counselors and drug addict clients are included in the data transmitted to the government. There is more.

    Spence

  • #2
    A new system is being put in place for the health care system that is browser based. All of the providers of health care will process all of their clinical notes and all private information on a single system based on the east coast. I think I can determine the location but in the new world there is no guarantees of where anything goes.

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    • #3

      Privacy is nothing more than a word from a bygone era. The government cannot be trusted
      in my opinion.
      The fact that both parties lie on TV and think nothing of it should have any intelligent up in arms but some people are too lazy to care until it is too late.
      " Those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither" to parapharse B.Franklin.
      I'm also pretty fed up with judges who can't seem to understand the constitution.
      Non, je ne regrette rien.

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      • #4
        Type your first and last name,city and state into google and then press "map"when the screen comes up,need I say more?
        I just need one more tool,just one!

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        • #5
          I tried that but I didn't come up. It doesn't worry me though. I have always been in the phone book. Now I only use a cell phone and if not for the expense, I would make that number public as well. I deal in systems that handle information. I can't truely know if it is secure, and I can't know if it is being infiltrated. Anyone who says they are certain of the security of their data either aren't aware, or perhaps they are keeping their system off the web. This is the only trustworthy method. Without fail, "inpenetrable" systems are penetrable with enough expertise or insider knowledge. This is a real concern of mine over electronic voting machines. How to ensure the accuracy of the result and not let it be manipulated. I would think that you have to have multiple systems, controlled by multiple entities, that must be in agreement from the very point of the button push, in the voting booth.

          Spence

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          • #6
            Spence

            When cell phones came out the ONLY country that insisted on high security ecodeing was West Germany. As it stands now modern cell phones have GPS tracking built in so you can be tracked. The phone companies also have the equipment to listen in on any cell call. They also know at any given moment where you are - a feature that helps them determine if your code and security key has been scanned and pilfered to pirates - hint: NEVER power up your phone at an airport!

            As you are no doubt aware, the US government wants firewalls abolished on the internet as it prevents them from doing "security scans" - Big Brother can't keep up with the hackers.

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            • #7
              Hi Thrud,

              Our Congress is now working on a bill in regard to E911, which is presumably a new system similar to our 911 emergency systems where the dispatcher knows electronically from where the emergency call was made. The gist of this bill is that the cell phone providers will have to be able to triangulate the position of any cell phone user. They are pushing for this ability even in rural areas where the expense of two extra towers with no improvement in cell phone service doesn't make any sense. There isn't really sufficient reason to incur these extra expenses if the reason is for emergency service, because the caller can tell the dispatcher where they are. I don't trust this initiative because it doesn't pass the smell test. It is wrapped up in good sounding rhetoric like the “Patriot Actâ€‌ but the underlying motivation is not for emergency service.

              I have a GPS receiver and I know some phones have GPS capability, but I don’t think it is that common in cell phones yet, otherwise the government wouldn’t need this new tracking capability.

              To stay free requires vigilance, once freedom is lost, the cost to regain it very high. Those who would take it away do it with the best of intentions, and even they don’t understand their effect on the system as a whole. They are driven to improve on whatever the mandate is from their leadership. They are going to protect us from terrorism by driving us with fear into cowering in our homes and fearing to be fingered as a threat. This is the same thing that Senator McCarthy was trying to do in protecting us from “communismâ€‌. Is that really what he was doing?

              There is one other technology that people need to be aware of. The keyword is RFID. In a nutshell, a device is now available that can be sewn into clothing and attached to any and all products that we buy. The size of the device can be as small as a grain of sand. Each device is unique and it can be tracked anywhere on the planet. Soon the cost per RFID will be a penny or less. RFID interrogators will be between $20 and $40.

              To what purposes will this be used? Some are undoubtedly good but there might be a dark side. Everyone needs to know about these things, so that it isn’t in the shadows and that it isn’t a surprise when we are suddenly subjects of some government that we no power to oppose.

              Spence

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              • #8
                Spence the e911 locator has been law in 37 states for years,NY was even caught red handed by the families of people who called and died because NY had been collecting taxes for get this 9 years!When people found out that they pay on average .70 a month tax speciffically for that service and have not had a single piece of equipment installed the got a little pissed.I remember the total for the state of NY being $90million.

                The odd thing is Mississippi is usually last in things like this,but for once were first,our system is nearly installed,go figure,either way It won't effect me,I threw mine out when they quit being just phones,I don't need to play games,message text,down load e-mail,or transmit pictures.I get ticked everytime I go to Radio Shack and the girl behind the counter starts with the cell phone speale,I just ask her,"all I want is a little square box with an antenna,0-9 keys and a send button,do you have that?She usually says "no,but we have an icon for it"thats when I tell her where my old one is(somewhere along the interstate between here and Illinois)
                I just need one more tool,just one!

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                • #9
                  Spence, and others, have you read the "Left Behind" series by Tim LaHaye? What you are discussing (cell phone tracking, RFID, etc.)is the norm for the people in these books. It'll give you cold sweats when you think about it very much.

                  Al

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                    • #11
                      Spence
                      They also want to be able to pinpoint drug dealers. As far as I am conerned they should do it. In the same hand they better crack down on those assholes with a vengence.

                      I have nothing to hide, the bastards already have my ass-print (oh, to be young and stupid again). They know where I live and what I am up to. I could care less - unless they start putting up pictures of me and my ass in the post office - then the girls have nothing to look forward to...

                      The other reason they like cell phones is they can listen in and get their perverted jollies...I mean they don't need a court order for a wire tap as you have already "agreed to let them listen" by broadcasting a signal.

                      [This message has been edited by Thrud (edited 09-21-2003).]

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                        • #13
                          All anywho does is search the phone directory. My phone is in someone else's name, and it finds that, but NOT me. That is all. I have been using that for 3 years next month.

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                            • #15
                              Pgrmdan,
                              That sounds a lot like the system that the NSA had even as far back as the 1960's. I read one story about a system where they used computers to look for "keywords" in massive amounts of intercontinental communications. One of the keywords they looked for was "Jane Fonda." If you remember, prior to her exercise video, the government of the US, and most of the Vets wanted her dead for not only speaking out against the Vietnam War but also for actually visiting North Vietnam without killing even one of the enemy. Regardless of the reason, the point is that over 30 years ago the government was able to do this.
                              Now what can they do?
                              Will they even be able to change the results of electronic election system? That would be a scary thought.

                              Knowing what has been done by governments in the past, makes you wonder about what is being done by people in power in the present, and fear what they can do in the future.

                              I’ve been watching C-Span and one of the Congressmen said a conservative estimate of what the Bush administration will spend on Iraq would be around $200 Billion. Since the population of Iraq is 4,834,773 that works out to be $41,000 per every single Iraqi. Of course the money isn’t going into the pockets of Iraqi’s. It will go into the pockets of Halliburton and also to the military contractors and I wonder how much will actually get to our troops. I heard that some of our troops haven’t even been issued flak jackets. That would cost too much. Next they will cut back on ammo and shoes.

                              Spence

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