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  • Is true Aloris worth 2 or 3x the price of Phase2

    I can pick up a nice used Aloris AXA setup, post + 4 holders, for about 2.5x what it would cost to purchase a Phase2 setup. Is it worth it?

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    That depends on the way you use the tool post.

    If you expect to change tools rapidly, and have .0001" repeatability on all tools, then YES.
    If you are a home shop, making one offs, and never expect a tool to repeat with accuracy, it's a waste of money.
    Also, the Aloris may be more rigid. But, are you putting this on a Craftsman or a Mori Seki, you might be putting a Rolex on a pig.

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    • #3
      Lipstick on a pig? Why is my wife getting dragged into this lol. Hope she don't see it.

      It's going on a lathemaster 8x30.

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      • #4
        My opinion No. I would get a phase 2 and use the extra money to buy extra tool holders. It seems that I never have enough tool holders. I have a Phase 2 and it is quite accurate I got it many years ago so I don't know how the newer ones are. besides I never could afford an Aoris.
        Last edited by rolland; 01-07-2010, 09:35 PM.

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        • #5
          I have both, and the Aloris is much nicer than the Chinese copy, no surprise. The biggest difference is in the toolpost itself, so one option is to buy the real Aloris toolpost used, and make a bunch of toolholders.
          "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did."

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          • #6
            This is the used Caddy versus new Chevy discussion.
            Sort of like a new import Micrometer verus a used Starritt or B&S
            Mechanicalmagic has excellent points but I'm with lazlo

            Rich

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            • #7
              I have a Phase II that is 14 years old now. It's excellent although I never had an Aloris to compare. I don't worry about repeataqbility. I'm still having trouble doing things once. LOL.

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              • #8
                I have an Aloris. Came with the lathe. Outside of my threading tool holder which is Aloris, all my other holders are Chinese. I have a chunk of A36 that I'm going to make some boring tool holders out of.

                I don't recall hearing people b*tch about Phase II posts and holders so they can't be total crap. Either one beats a rocker tool post.

                That Aloris emblem looking back at me does look nice though

                Clutch

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                • #9
                  2X Phase II wedge price should take most Aloris sets on e bay. Individual holders-especially the nicer, rarer, and cooler ones get scary close to retail.

                  IMHO a good Aloris is about 25% better than Phase II and half the advantage is psychological.

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                  • #10
                    Thanks all.

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                    • #11
                      Tool-holders

                      Originally posted by Slop
                      I can pick up a nice used Aloris AXA setup, post + 4 holders, for about 2.5x what it would cost to purchase a Phase2 setup. Is it worth it?
                      The OP's question is more a question that needs an answer based on what he needs as opposed to what he'd like to get or have.

                      "Worth" suggests value for money in that the tool-post/set-up only needs to be at or just a bit above being "satisfactory" for his purposes - in other words - value for money (which has or seems to have a limit of cost).

                      "Repeatability" rather suggest a repetition process where tool set-up and multiple pre-set tool-holders are in the "need to have" rather than the "nice to have" category.

                      "Repetition" work is "process" work which was mind-numbingly boring on a long run on a turret or capstan lathe - which is what justified CNC/NC-ed lathes with precision pre-set auto-indexing sequentiality-controlled lathes - and tool-posts.

                      As regards my situation vis-a-vis the OP's question re super-accurate re-indexing tool-post/s:
                      - do I want one? Not really;
                      - do I need one? No;
                      - why? Because I am working how and when I choose in my hobby shop - not tear-ar$ing making like I am a real-time or pseudo "production shop".

                      Once the job or shop starts driving me - or I let it - then its "down tools" time and time for me to re-assess where I'm at and where I seem to be going.

                      I'd be quite happy to go back to tool-bits in tool-holders in a lantern tool-post if I had to.

                      Its all too easy to "buy up large" and later have to regret it when I/we have to by-pass a really good and necessary buy because I/we had paid more than necessary for something that turned out to be not quite as necessary as we thought (hoped?) it was (going to be?) when we bought it.

                      Have I committed those sins?

                      Damned right I have - lots of times.

                      Will I keep doing it?

                      Certainly.

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                      • #12
                        At work I used the Aloris and other QC tool holders and the Phase II and they all worked just fine. I do prefer the wedge type though.

                        As to repeatability I have a Phase II on my lathe at home and I can put a tool holder on it and take a light cut on a shaft, remove the holder and put it back on and take a cut on the shaft farther along the shaft than the first cut and do it several times and it still cuts the same size as the first cut as long as I keep the dovetails clean and clamp it tight. I can take a cut, remove the shaft and holder, put a new shaft in and the holder on and take a cut without moving anything and get the same size again.

                        Your not going to make be believe that non repeatability bull. Now someday when it's worn out after I die it may have a problem but the other brands will too.
                        It's only ink and paper

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Rich Carlstedt
                          This is the used Caddy versus new Chevy discussion.
                          Sort of like a new import Micrometer versus a used Starrett or B&S
                          Perfect summary.
                          "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did."

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                          • #14
                            I don't entirely agree with that analogy. More like top price Caddy to lower priced Caddy.
                            It's only ink and paper

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Carld
                              I don't entirely agree with that analogy. More like top price Caddy to lower priced Caddy.
                              My Phase II (piston) toolpost works fine, but it sure isn't a Caddy. Doesn't compare to the Aloris wedge-based toolpost on my 5914.

                              Like I said earlier, if you replace the setscrews, the Chicom toolholders are fine in most cases, but the toolpost is vastly different.
                              "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did."

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