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  • #10 screw and 3/16 screw

    I'm feeling like an idiot. I have box of set screws marked 3/16-24. I was looking at my tap & die set and noticed that I don't have a 3/16-24 tap, but #10-24 looked almost identical so I used that. It worked although the set screw felt a little loose.

    So, what's the deal with #10-24 and 3/16-24? I feel like such a space cadet.
    Last edited by rotate; 01-11-2010, 12:22 AM.

  • #2
    I don't know the exact specifications, but for common hardware they are basically the same. I think that 3/16-24 is pretty much obsolete, replaced by 10-24. The preference seems to be to use inch dimensions for 1/4" and above with machine screw numbers for smaller sizes.
    Don Young

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    • #3
      The switch from Inch to Number measuring for "small" threads produced some
      wierdcases. These are generally threads less than 1/4"
      In Number Screw sizes, You start with .060 as a base and it is a 0-80 thread, or 0-72 etc.
      ( Please note that .0625 is 1/16 , so " )" is close to that fraction benchmark)
      Each sequential thread size grows by .013" and gains one digit.
      A 1-72 for example is .073" and a 2-56 is .086 in the "Major Diameter" measurement.
      A 10-32 is .060 PLUS .130 ( 10 x .013) or .190
      Your old 3/16 thread is .1875"
      The only "exact" one is 1/8-40 (ie.) as it meets a 5-40 (.060+.065) at .125 dead on.

      Real confusion is with the #14 threads (.060 + .182) as its .242
      So if you have a 1/4 -20 bolt, it will not fit a 14-20 hole !

      Old machines and hardware still use the old standard of 100 ago

      Its a lot easier, to refer to numbers than fractions.
      Can you imagine doing a 5/64-72 or a similar ?
      It was an attemp to make the range smaller than 1/64's
      Of course it doesn't get a simpler than Metric..but I won't go there

      Rich
      Last edited by Rich Carlstedt; 01-11-2010, 12:43 AM.

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      • #4
        Drill Chart

        Here is a link to a tap drill chart for number screws if you need one

        Number Screw Tap Drill Chart
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        • #5
          Oh the joys of playing with that outdated MONGREL system , it's about time you lot converted to the easiest system of them all, metric.


          Mark

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          • #6
            Originally posted by mardtrp
            Oh the joys of playing with that outdated MONGREL system , it's about time you lot converted to the easiest system of them all, metric.


            Mark
            yep, the system with 5 different possible pitches for an M12 (or is it M14) screw........

            And the "standard" pitches differing depending on which country the screw is from.....

            And the 4 selectable gears on the thread dial...... with the little book to tell you which to use, unless its one of the oddballs

            Yah, metric isn't standardized, it's just standard....... And just as standardly effed up as "imperial".

            Besides, teh 3/16 size is ancient, non-standard, and incompatible with modern ones....... It dates from before the time 130 years ago when the US officially converted to Metric.

            I DO have taps and dies for 3/16, and for #12, and some other oddities

            And for "standard" metric as well. European metric, not Asian.
            Last edited by J Tiers; 01-11-2010, 02:40 AM.
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            Keep eye on ball.
            Hashim Khan

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            • #7
              And then I ran across a 1/4-26 the other day. Not an ancient screw...it was a forend screw for a British BSA International Mk II Martini rifle, which started production in about 1955. None of my "special" series tap charts even mentioned that size... I was fitting a new barrel to this rifle, so I just made a new screw to match the dimensions of the original, except for it being 28 tpi. Easier for me, and cheaper for my customer, than trying to come up with the "proper" tap!

              David
              David Kaiser
              “You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once.”
              ― Robert A. Heinlein

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              • #8
                Set it to music!!!

                Originally Posted by mardtrp
                Oh the joys of playing with that outdated MONGREL system , it's about time you lot converted to the easiest system of them all, metric.


                Mark
                Originally posted by J Tiers
                yep, the system with 5 different possible pitches for an M12 (or is it M14) screw........

                And the "standard" pitches differing depending on which country the screw is from.....

                And the 4 selectable gears on the thread dial...... with the little book to tell you which to use, unless its one of the oddballs

                Yah, metric isn't standardized, it's just standard....... And just as standardly effed up as "imperial".

                Besides, teh 3/16 size is ancient, non-standard, and incompatible with modern ones....... It dates from before the time 130 years ago when the US officially converted to Metric.

                I DO have taps and dies for 3/16, and for #12, and some other oddities

                And for "standard" metric as well. European metric, not Asian.

                Here JT.

                Stop your moaning.

                Be happy.

                Set it to music.

                Lots of tempo and even the meter/metre has fractions:
                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meter_(music)

                Now watch the pretty arm on the metronome .................

                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metronome

                ......... and you will feel sl-e--e---p----y and r-e--l---a----x and fall to s-l--ee ..........................

                z-z-z-z-z
                -z
                -z
                -z.

                So have a few "zeds".

                Its a lot more peaceful than you banging that "metric" drum!!!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by J Tiers
                  yep, the system with 5 different possible pitches for an M12 screw........
                  Ok take the imperial equivalent of 12mm as being 1/2"

                  In 1/2" and I have just checked my tap list you have 12 tpi, 13, 16, 18, 20, 24, 26, 30, 32 and 40

                  Now ask for a 12mm bolt and 90 % of the time you will be given a 1.75 pitch bolt, the other being specials.

                  Out of the 10 threads I have listed for the 1/2" which one is standard ?

                  .
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                  Sir John , Earl of Bligeport & Sudspumpwater. MBE [ Motor Bike Engineer ] Nottingham England.



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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by 38_Cal
                    And then I ran across a 1/4-26 the other day. Not an ancient screw...it was a forend screw for a British BSA International Mk II Martini rifle, which started production in about 1955. None of my "special" series tap charts even mentioned that size..

                    David
                    1/4" x 26 is a standard BSF size just as you have UNC and UNF we have BSW and BSF.

                    Seeing as it was for a 1955 British rifle it would fall into the right size and era.

                    You need new tap charts that show countries other than the USA.

                    Neil Armstrong WAS NOT the first American to go abroad.

                    .
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                    Sir John , Earl of Bligeport & Sudspumpwater. MBE [ Motor Bike Engineer ] Nottingham England.



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                    • #11
                      John,
                      Here in the Simple US, it's always the specials...

                      The biggest problem I run into here, is a lot of the US Metric Bolt heads are 1 mm bigger than EU metric bolts...

                      Fun In tight spaces.. EU is used to that, I'm sure

                      61.1 Million Brits ought to be able to tell Us 300 million plus, to get it right

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Bguns
                        John,
                        Here in the Simple US, it's always the specials...

                        The biggest problem I run into here, is a lot of the US Metric Bolt heads are 1 mm bigger than EU metric bolts...

                        Fun In tight spaces.. EU is used to that, I'm sure

                        61.1 Million Brits ought to be able to tell Us 300 million plus, to get it right
                        They're still pissed that they got beat by a bunch of colonial hicks.

                        Nuttin' but love guys...just joking!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Bguns
                          John,
                          Here in the Simple US, it's always the specials...


                          61.1 Million Brits ought to be able to tell Us 300 million plus, to get it right
                          Now add all of Europe to the 61.1 million, then Asia, then Australia, then most of South America.

                          No not stirring or looking for a fight but all too often I see posts like the 1/4 x 26 and the never ending one about the Chiwanese mill / drill with the *special* 1/2" x 12 threads in the base casting when in fact they are not special but a standard, OK not UNC or UNF but those two thread standards don't cover the globe, in fact out of the USA they are obsolete.

                          Any decent screw thread book will list these, they are even in machinery handbook believe it or not.

                          .
                          .

                          Sir John , Earl of Bligeport & Sudspumpwater. MBE [ Motor Bike Engineer ] Nottingham England.



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                          • #14
                            Flat out

                            Originally posted by Bguns
                            John,
                            Here in the Simple US, it's always the specials...

                            The biggest problem I run into here, is a lot of the US Metric Bolt heads are 1 mm bigger than EU metric bolts...

                            Fun In tight spaces.. EU is used to that, I'm sure

                            61.1 Million Brits ought to be able to tell Us 300 million plus, to get it right
                            From a non-Brit but metricated country (OZ):

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                            • #15
                              I have thread charts for number screws, they were called ASME, up to #30. They were 14 & 16 TPI, Letter V and 25/64 tap drills respectively.

                              I have an acumulation of special thread taps and dies I have accumulated over the years, they do come in handy from time to time. I usedd the 5/16"-64 tap & die a while back to make an insert for a thin section where a standard thread would not have worked.
                              Jim H.

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