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  • lazlo
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    Originally posted by Black_Moons
    I wasent born yet to dodge a draft in the 60's, But the fact you'd run around snatching teenagers off the streets to send off to die in another country is yet another good reason sure.
    That's the price you pay for living in a Democracy -- serving in the military if your country requires. You don't get to choose if you agree with the policy.

    Then again, I'm the product of three generations of career Army officers, and my Father survived three tours in Vietnam as a Huey pilot...

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    Originally posted by Black_Moons
    I wasent born yet to dodge a draft in the 60's, But the fact you'd run around snatching teenagers off the streets to send off to die in another country is yet another good reason sure. (Well, Except those teenagers that where children of the ones in power who decided to declare a draft) I have no criminal record either.

    Actualy, I was refering to this:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_search_exception
    Where im afforded no rights at the boarder if the guard has 'reasonable suspicion' (Ie, had a bad day, doesnt like how I look, etc)

    'while "nonroutine" searches must be supported by "reasonable suspicion".[6] Under this analysis, searches of a traveler's property, including luggage, briefcases, wallets, and other containers are "routine," while searches of a traveler's body, including strip, body cavity and involuntary x-ray searches, are considered "nonroutine."'

    Kindly the only person who will ever body cavity search me due to 'reasonable suspicion' will be my doctor, Not a overglorifyed security guard who just got a raise to a 5 digit yearly income after 5 years of good hard work and only tazering 2 innocent people to death (oh im sorry, tazers don't kill people, Excited delirium does!). And the fact anyone even considered this a good idea just boggles my mind and makes me want to stay far, far away.

    Why do you americans think that only people legaly kept out of the USA would wish to avoid ever going to the USA? People don't HAVE to go to the USA, and many people I know share my view of not wishing to go to the USA due to its current politics and laws and abandonment of its own constitution.

    From what I have read about the laws that have been passed, If you are 'declared' a terrorist (By 'reasonable suspicion', Say.. you have a lathe and mill! clearly you have the ability to make dangerious devices! Why you even made an ammo reloader! only terrorists need ammo!), you can be held indefinately without trial and without any evidence against you, Reguardless of nationality. (IE, Applys to americans as well)

    Your goverment has gone absolutely crazy, And they are by far the most likey to endanger your freedom, life and liberty then any terrorist.

    I try and keep my long political rants to the OT marked threads, but you attacked me first.

    We haven't gone any crazier than the folks in Europe. We were attacked on 9-11-01 and things changed markedly after that. We lost 3,000 people in one day. That made an impression on us and intensified the war on terror. The folks in Europe and UK have had their difficulties as well. It's called terrorism. I presume that you take a newspaper.

    As far as I know, any Canadian or US citizen may cross the border either way with a passport and a good record.

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  • Black_Moons
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    I wasent born yet to dodge a draft in the 60's, But the fact you'd run around snatching teenagers off the streets to send off to die in another country is yet another good reason sure. (Well, Except those teenagers that where children of the ones in power who decided to declare a draft) I have no criminal record either.

    Actualy, I was refering to this:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_search_exception
    Where im afforded no rights at the boarder if the guard has 'reasonable suspicion' (Ie, had a bad day, doesnt like how I look, etc)

    'while "nonroutine" searches must be supported by "reasonable suspicion".[6] Under this analysis, searches of a traveler's property, including luggage, briefcases, wallets, and other containers are "routine," while searches of a traveler's body, including strip, body cavity and involuntary x-ray searches, are considered "nonroutine."'

    Kindly the only person who will ever body cavity search me due to 'reasonable suspicion' will be my doctor, Not a overglorifyed security guard who just got a raise to a 5 digit yearly income after 5 years of good hard work and only tazering 2 innocent people to death (oh im sorry, tazers don't kill people, Excited delirium does!). And the fact anyone even considered this a good idea just boggles my mind and makes me want to stay far, far away.

    Why do you americans think that only people legaly kept out of the USA would wish to avoid ever going to the USA? People don't HAVE to go to the USA, and many people I know share my view of not wishing to go to the USA due to its current politics and laws and abandonment of its own constitution.

    From what I have read about the laws that have been passed, If you are 'declared' a terrorist (By 'reasonable suspicion', Say.. you have a lathe and mill! clearly you have the ability to make dangerious devices! Why you even made an ammo reloader! only terrorists need ammo!), you can be held indefinately without trial and without any evidence against you, Reguardless of nationality. (IE, Applys to americans as well)

    Your goverment has gone absolutely crazy, And they are by far the most likey to endanger your freedom, life and liberty then any terrorist.

    I try and keep my long political rants to the OT marked threads, but you attacked me first.

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  • Sharpshootermb
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    Black Moons, my apologies, I was not inferring anything on your part. Sorrry if it came off that way. Point taken.

    Eddy, I had actually inquired with Grizzly re one of their new "gunsmith" lathes. I think the G0709. They had emailed me back about it and when it is in stock they will advise me on shipping costs etc. I have not comitted to buying as of yet and was just in the quote stage. It did not sound like it was going to be a problem. But there again I have not purchased yet either. I too thought the same that in years past they wont ship to Canada.

    I was in contact with Quality Machine tools as well. He will ship direct to me or to a friends company in North Dakota. My choice he says. Seems like a decent sort.

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  • lazlo
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    Originally posted by wierdscience
    I still have a box full of Baldor parts and in comparing it to the HF grinder they are nearly exact copies with the exception of screw threads.

    From having used both Baldor and HF/chicom I will say that Baldor is better,but not $700 better.The table trunnion brackets on the HF model I have are actually heavier and better made than the ones off the old Baldor,both are ZAMAC diecast.
    I want some of what you're smoking Darin!

    I have the HF toolgrinder, and a friend has the Baldor 500 it was copied from, and my HF is a joke in comparison. I haven't seen a HF that wasn't badly unbalanced out of the box, and needed the backplates, plate spud and shaft turned-down to fix it. If you use a thick AO wheel, you can dress the hell of of it and get it to turn smoothly, but you can't run a diamond wheel on the HF grinder without either extensively modifying it or shimming the hell out of the backplate.

    The table mount on the HF is atrocious -- it falls apart if you loosen the nuts enough to change the angle. The Baldor table is much better.

    Then there's the Chinese motor, which is roughly wound, not varnished, unbalanced, and has cheap bearings. I replaced the bearings on mine with NSK 6204's, and it made a huge difference.

    Another case of "You get what you pay for", although I don't think you get $700 worth with the Baldor, but I'd say it's worth at least 3 times as much (i.e., $400 - $500).

    The best deal is if you can find a used Baldor 500. They last forever. I've been looking for one for a long time, but they're in such high demand that they sell instantly. If you see one, grab it!

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  • EddyCurr
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    Originally posted by Sharpshootermb
    I see now as well that Grizzly will ship some things to Canada as well.
    Can you elaborate?

    When I spoke to them some time ago, I was advised that my options
    were to pick purchases up myself or make arrangements to have them
    forwarded by a commercial or private US party.

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  • EddyCurr
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    Originally posted by Dr Stan
    try using the following for a google search:

    "carbide grinder": site:craigslist.org.
    Thanks for the tip !

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  • quasi
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    Originally posted by Black_Moons
    Sharpshootermb: Why do you assume I have to do (or even be accused of/charged with) something illegal to lose my freedom in the USA?
    Long rant short: I refuse to fly (commericaly) and I refuse to enter the USA for any reason whatsoever. Sorta like how you would'nt go to north korea on principle.. And because the land mines might blow you up for no reason..
    In other words you are a draft dodger from the 60's, or you have a criminal record?

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    Originally posted by Black_Moons
    Sharpshootermb: Why do you assume I have to do (or even be accused of/charged with) something illegal to lose my freedom in the USA?
    Long rant short: I refuse to fly (commericaly) and I refuse to enter the USA for any reason whatsoever. Sorta like how you would'nt go to north korea on principle.. And because the land mines might blow you up for no reason..

    Well, I personally am greatly relieved to hear that you will not be visiting us any time soon. If you were to do so, we would have to evict at least one of our illegal immigrants.

    Can you imagine the paperwork when having to temporarily remove one of the illegals from the welfare rolls and get them all new papers when they come back the following week?

    So, thanks. You've saved us a lot of trouble.

    By the way, I suggest you rethink your invideous comparison of the U.S. to North Korea. If you agree to cease and desist, I shall refrain from ever making any comparison of Canada to some third-World country such as say Nicaragua or El Salvador, as you have done with the U.S.A.
    But I mean this in a nice way.......

    Returning to the thread, Grizzly does a nice job of packaging their machines. They are for the most part identical to other machines. In the case of the tool grinder, they are probably built in the same factory to slightly different specifications. In any case, Grizzly does provide some warranty and they do have parts for their machines but they do charge quite a bit more for the privilege. I guess you can get parts for H.F. tools but I've not yet found out how.
    Last edited by gnm109; 02-02-2010, 07:47 PM.

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  • Black_Moons
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    Sharpshootermb: Why do you assume I have to do (or even be accused of/charged with) something illegal to lose my freedom in the USA?
    Long rant short: I refuse to fly (commericaly) and I refuse to enter the USA for any reason whatsoever. Sorta like how you would'nt go to north korea on principle.. And because the land mines might blow you up for no reason..

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  • Sharpshootermb
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    Black Moons

    You mentioned you would never cross the border to pick up things in The U.S. as it was not worth your freedom.

    I was not suggesting anything ilegal. Just that when you ship things with a common carrier from the U.S. to Canada it is much more costly. When I have things shipped that way you just do the paperwork at the port coming back, that is all I was implying.

    I see now as well that grizzly will ship some things to Canada as well.

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  • Black_Moons
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    Its mainly the 100lbs weight that gives it the quality IMO. I wonder where I can get 200lbs+ of material to clamp my bench grinder to for cheap. :P

    I would never cross the boarder to pick stuff up from the USA, even though I live near it. Not worth my freedom for a lousy grinder.

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  • Abner
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    I just looked at the picture of the grizzly. Looks 100% identical to me, tables, mitre, table adjustments, water can, even including paint color.

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  • Abner
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    I just bought the HF 6". So far...I like it for sharpening drill bits, haven't tried it on end mills or boring bars. The weight of the machine is nice at dampening vibration (110lbs). I haven't looked at the others because at $116.00 US I really didn't think I would find much even close. I'm sure I got what I paid for.
    I plan to build/rebuild the tables or make jigs for quicker change-up and more accuracy. So far so good...
    Last edited by Abner; 02-02-2010, 07:41 AM.

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  • Paul Alciatore
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    I am not familiar with this particular machine, but I have been in both showrooms, Grizzly and HF. I would never, NEVER buy any machine tool from HF. I have purchased several from Grizzly and have not been disappointed on any of them. Need I say more.

    Don't get me wrong, Grizzly stuff is all imported, just like HF stuff, could even come from the same factories, but they just seem to do a much better job of QC. And you do pay more for it.

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