What did you do today?

[Willy]

Studded tires have been illegal for decades. Tye completely tore up the roads.

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Legal here and very beneficial on ice covered roads. The tires as shown in MattiJ's post are indeed a blessing on winter roads.

The alternative is the horrendous costs and suffering associated with motor vehicle accidents.
The environmental and infrastructure costs associated with dumping millions of tons of salt annually on our nations roads runs into the billions of dollars annually.

[754]

Willy I still cringe she I hear them grinding away on a dry road..
But this year we need them still this time of year.. eh?
All white here this morning.

Usually riding the bike this time of year.

[tomato coupe]

Legal here and very beneficial on ice covered roads.

Yes, they can be very useful. Despite rumors to the contrary, they are also legal in most of the U.S.

[Willy]

Usually riding the bike this time of year.

Yeah, WTF?
Global warming I guess. The bright side about riding now is no bugs.

Monday morning it was -23°C at my place, a bit warmer by the time I got into Vernon, always a bit warmer there at any rated compared to home.Get to the store and there in the parking lot, a MC at 8:30 AM.
Didn't see who or what was riding it but I think it must have been Jack Frost his-self. LOL

[MattiJ]

Legal here and very beneficial on ice covered roads. The tires as shown in MattiJ's post are indeed a blessing on winter roads.

The alternative is the horrendous costs and suffering associated with motor vehicle accidents.
The environmental and infrastructure costs associated with dumping millions of tons of salt annually on our nations roads runs into the billions of dollars annually.

And there is sometimes a huge difference between M+S tyre and studless winter/snow tyre.

https://www.goodyear.eu/corporate_emea/our-responsibilities/road-safety/winter-tire-recognition.jsp

http://info.kaltire.com/all-weather-vs-all-season-vs-winter-tires/

[754]

Willy how cool is this ?
We are on a machining forum , with folks from all over the globe.
And a guy from Helsinki posts a link to Kal Tires.... which started out in the nearest town to you, and 30 miles from me..

[J Tiers]

Legal here and very beneficial on ice covered roads. The tires as shown in MattiJ's post are indeed a blessing on winter roads.

The alternative is the horrendous costs and suffering associated with motor vehicle accidents.
The environmental and infrastructure costs associated with dumping millions of tons of salt annually on our nations roads runs into the billions of dollars annually.

They were made illegal in MN in the 1970s or so. Still illegal. Same in Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois... 11 states altogether.

They tore up the roads to an unbelievable degree, you would see tire-sized divots in the concrete of the road everywhere, from people grinding through the ice and shredding the concrete underneath.

[754]

Ok then they are illegal in some places.

[MattiJ]

They were made illegal in MN in the 1970s or so. Still illegal. Same in Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois... 11 states altogether.

They tore up the roads to an unbelievable degree, you would see tire-sized divots in the concrete of the road everywhere, from people grinding through the ice and shredding the concrete underneath.

Illegal altogether or allowed seasonally?

From wikipedia:
Unrestricted use – The following jurisdictions allow unrestricted use of studded snow tires; United States: Colorado, Kentucky, North Carolina, Vermont, and Wyoming; Canada: Alberta, Northwest Territories, Saskatchewan, and Yukon
Prohibited – Studded snow tires may not be used in Hawaii, Mississippi or Puerto Rico.
Seasonal use – All other states and provinces allow seasonal use of studded snow tires. In Alabama, Florida, Louisiana, Michigan and Texas, only rubber studs are allowed.

For the record the studded tyres are not allowed during summer in here or nordic countries either.
Everyone has set of winter tires(studded or studless) and another set of summer tires.
Studless winter tyres suck in summer and wear pretty fast but if you are stingy you can get one final season out of them as (crappy) summer tires when they are already kaputt for winter service.

[Willy]

Willy how cool is this ?
We are on a machining forum , with folks from all over the globe.
And a guy from Helsinki posts a link to Kal Tires.... which started out in the nearest town to you, and 30 miles from me..

Not only that but when I started trucking back in '73 I worked for a guy that owned two trucks, he had one truck on with them full time and the other truck was on half of the time with them. At the time Kal Tire did not even own a truck of their own, now they are a global tire enterprise. I used to haul tires and rubber throughout the Pacific Northwest, from picking up raw rubber from Goodyear in Portland to the mines in northern BC and Alberta.

As a side note, was just reading yesterday that Goodyear is now starting to use soy based oils in some of their new passenger tires tire and thinking of doing the same with commercial tires as well instead of petroleum products.
The horrors associated with soy based wiring insulation and how it attracts rodents who find it tasty will now be passed onto tires. Probably cheaper that they start gnawing on the tires first before climbing higher and getting into the wiring harness.

[Willy]

Illegal altogether or allowed seasonally?

Legal here seasonally, from Oct.1-Apr. 30 and they cannot protrude more than 2 mm.

[mattthemuppet]

studded winter tires are allowed in WA and OR (I think) between October and April and supposedly illegal between April and October, but it's the wild west out there and no one much seems to care. There are no safety inspections. I used to hear people driving around on them in the summer, they were bloody loud.

From all that I've read, you need studded winter tires for ice. For everything else, non-studded winter tires provide more grip. We managed to get by just fine on decent M+S tires with a decent amount of tread - both in WA (Subaru Outback) and PA (ford Focus). We even got home from Atlanta, Georgia to PA via West Virginia (I know, bad idea in hindsight) through 5 separate snow storms. Wasn't a lot of fun and took a horrendous amount of time, but we did it. Passed alot of RWD cars in the process...

me, I've done jack other than grading. Penknife project is coming along nicely though and I got a new gear motor for my platform rocker.

[J Tiers]

Illegal altogether or allowed seasonally?
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Altogether as far a I know in MN, "foreigners" from other states can use them for up to 30 days before they have to change them off. I think the Wikipedia article is wrong (shocking, I know). Someone is, because I found the list of 11 states where they are flat illegal by googling "studded tires Minnesota". Here is a state-by state list

https://drivinglaws.aaa.com/tag/studded-tires/

[Willy]

It's good to see that they are not permitted in Hawaii and Puerto Rico. Finally some common sense legislation.

[RB211]

I flew this today, it's my trainer for getting my turbine waiver, as the next one will be a gas turbine!
It goes about 115mph.