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  • #16
    Dave

    Here is a thought - find a trashed Honda V45 and scab the shaft drive. The Honda has an over run clutch so if you down shift too soon you will not wipe out (it free wheels the engine).

    Any dink can put a gilmer or belt drive on a bike. A shaft drive Harley would be spiffy!

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    • #17
      I saw pictures of a very interesting trike a guy built. He used a 3L Ford V6 with clutch but no transmission. It is direct drive to the diff. Also no complete frame. The engine serves as part of the frame.

      http://www.fortunecity.com/silversto...3/pictures.htm
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      • #18
        Using a lightweight cast iron block as a load-carrying member just doesn't seem like a very good idea. Not when it would only take a couple pounds of tubing to go around the engine.

        Not only is it always in gear--it's always in HIGH gear. Wouldn't that be a blast with an old Pontiac Tempest transmission and differential. Then he could have independent rear suspension in addition to the gears.
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        • #19
          I saw a local with one I was impressed with..

          A Honda car, front wheel drive, cut at the door jamb. With a motorbike frame welded to where the bumper went.. I bet it took almost a whole day to build it.. He even used the Honda car headlights, hood, fenders and turn signals. A Honda Motorcycle front half with tank. Imagine looking into the rear view mirror and seeing a Honda car right on your butt thou. I hope he welded the steering sector.. maybe-maybe not seeing the rest of it.. He might be dependent on the locking steering wheel.

          Was running down the road, I was impressed.. Quick, cheap, in the wind, and FUN..... Probably salvaged from a rear end collision.

          You fall off a 3 wheeler, you get run over by your own vehicle first. I don't really like them for that reason, and I have rode my mobile motorcycles through 3 foot wide holes numerous times in traffic. The White line, up the emergency lanes, up next to the guard rail, All I need is 3 feet, no hospital stays, not broken bones and motorcycles. Thou, this 18 wheeler did teach me about brakes on choppers. I put a dent in that tanker with my shoulder. ALL my motorcycles have front brakes now.....

          [This message has been edited by ibewgypsie (edited 09-23-2003).]

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          • #20
            I'm thinking small and Japanese,rearend out of a 300Z,as I remember it is about 12"long and about 8"spline to spline,it being setup for independant suspension,you would need the cv's to make your mods.

            Also,I wonder whats under a Mazda RX?

            OOH,I know,an old B-210 Nissan rearend,they look like a mini Ford nine inch,chop off the housing and plate over one side,throw away the spiders and splines and replace them with a straight shaft,narrow up the other end (make it about 3"long)and presto,niffty little nine inch lookin gearbox,the little motors they put in those cars would do 7,500 plus and since 4th was straight through rpm shouldn't be a problem.
            I just need one more tool,just one!

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            • #21
              Ibew,
              I'm pretty sure the 16 valve Saturn isn't the Quad 4 engine.If it was,it would be the first engine they used form another GM product.
              Wierdscience,
              Are you thinking about the 510 Datsun?The B 210 had a OHV 1.4,1.5, 0r 1.6 Liter A series engine in it and I don't think it would turn anywhere near 7500 rpm.(Maybe in third gear being towed at 90mph because it couldn't pull enough air through the intake to run that fast on it's own!)
              The 510 was a nice hot rod for a Jap sedan with the L series ohc and independant rear suspension.
              Winchman,
              I think I've seen that project and it looks dangerous as all you know what.As for using the engine as a stressed member of the frame,with no more weight than he is supporting that tblock is plenty stiff and strong enough I promise.Most of the 60 degree V-6's are stiffer than most V-8's by the fact they are narrower,shorter,and the block is pretty much solid under the camshaft with just a few oil drain holes in it.For their size,they are heavier than you'd expect too.
              One of the locals has a trike built out of a Renault Feugo running gear with a slabsided body on it with a roof like a "Pie Wagon" (from the old model car kit of the 60's).Ugly as sin but it's his toy not mine.It was built more for parades and trailering to Daytona etc. than serious riding if I remember right.

              Robert.

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              • #22
                Dave

                You what would be gnarly in that thing? A Suzuki Sprint Turbo engine. I think you or I could rope start it and they go like snot.

                Looked at new Harleys the other day, did you know they have a webber grill that says "HD" all over it for a mere $8,000? What a deal. I'll take 4, they're small. No, really they ARE small...for 8 grand. I did like the VSRCB V-Rod - paint job sucked for a $39k bike. Looking at Indians next week.

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                • #23
                  Has anyone ever built a "trike" using the front of a front wheel drive car with a single wheel in the back? Seems like it would be pretty easy if you geared the steering up so you could use the handlebars instead of a steering wheel. If you used something like a Subaru transmission and differential coupled to an upright engine, you could narrow the track to keep it from being too wide.
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                  • #24
                    Next week may be too late to look at Indians.
                    They just closed the plant.
                    Jim H.

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                    • #25
                      Thrud...

                      WEll.... You want a custom S&S? We have two in progress.. A older harley? we have 3. A 1964 outside oiler panhead in original showroom quality? A 75 shovelhead built by a 1 percenter club member that idles when cold? (really rare). A full blown custom? A custom trike?

                      The indian has the same Revtech Korean 2 year unlimited mileage transmission I have here for my Quad4 bike. That kinda proves it is not fully american made, huh?

                      David

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                      • #26
                        WEll.. I guess JC is right.. First I have heard..

                        Quote:

                        LATEST NEWS
                        10:49 AM PDT Monday
                        Indian Motorcycle Corp. shuts down

                        Gilroy-based Indian Motorcycle Corp., which traces its roots to the founding in 1901 of the original Indian Motorcycle Co., says it's ceased production effective immediately in order to conserve cash and preserve its assets. The company also says it's laid off its work force of nearly 400.

                        "These steps were taken in order to allow the board time to explore other options that would permit the company to continue as a going concern," says Frank O'Connell, chairman of the board of the privately held company, said in a statement issued Monday. "At present the company is operating with a small group of management in place and will continue to do so until a decision is made concerning Indian's future."

                        The company was founded five years ago, resurrecting the Indian brand which had gone out of production in 1953. It specialized in premium heavyweight motorcycles and had a network of more than 200 dealers.

                        "We have made tremendous progress in the last few years in rebuilding the Indian brand and we are hopeful that a way can be found to maintain the viability of the company," Mr. O'Connell says.

                        Its 2002 sales were estimated at Hoovers Online at $100 million. As recently as May, Indian said it had a new monthly sales record of 563 motorcycles, up 39 percent compared to the same period last year, posting the single largest percentage gain of all the major motorcycle manufacturers. Monthly unit sales were ahead of other manufacturers such as Triumph, Ducati, Victory and Aprilia.

                        But Indian needed another infusion of funds to continue operations and develop its 2004 line. When that failed to come together, the company decided to shut down.


                        آ© 2003 American City Business Journals Inc.

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                        • #27
                          browning offers a 90 degree drive type sn, available with straight or spiral cut gears, the rpms only list up to 1750, but with good lube i think it could work? horsepower rating is another problem. the horsepower capacity listed in the catalog goes up as the rpms go up. i.e., @100 rpm a gearbox lists as having 6.3hp/cap. while at 1750 rpm it can handle 1930. might be worth checking a catalog. these are primarily elec motor drives, and i would imagine your engine will see 7000 rpms, so im not sure. i dont know what could be different if you built one yourself, these things have pretty massive tapered bearings in them. it think there is something else that can be done however that would be lighter, quieter and cheaper. just a thought. later
                          extreme tractor racing

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                          • #28
                            Dave
                            I have been thinking of the S&S, six speed, and two front wheeled trike. I went to HD to kill time the other day. I would never pay that much when I can build a better one for 1/3 the price. Very sad about the Indian - maybe Honda will buy them and save it.

                            I was thinking about those annular ball bearing wheels (no wheel spokes)...

                            I was thinking why does peanut butter taste better than just the peanuts...

                            I was thinking why does the ice cream truck always leave just as I grab my wallet...

                            I was thinking if it is called an outhouse, why doesn't it have cable tv...

                            BTW, Seagate 40Gb. Barricuda 7200rpm drives now come with Lindows (or not, your choice) installed (freebe) - you plug the drive into your system and it auto installs your hardware.

                            Ford Motor company has announced it will no long use any Microsoft Product and will only use Linux. This could be quite the delema for Dell (who has their noses burried up Bill Gates arse) as a supplier of systems to FoMoCo they will be required to pre install Linux. I love the little ironies in life...

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                            • #29
                              Figured you'd want a bike-trike with magnetic coupled and full floating bearings on the wheels..

                              Imagine that, magnetic wave drive? No spokes chains, belts, and no real connection to the wheels. Just a rim full or magnets.

                              They say large magnetic fields produce intense dreams. Most alien abductions are results of natural anomolties, ball lightning, etc.

                              Sweet dreams, be them natural or artificially induced. I always have sweet dreams while working at power plants, (cause I have a pocket full of money)

                              Honda purchase Indian? Bite your tongue. Grampa used to say Harleys were cheap crap, he was a indian rider. End of another era. It is rough when a english Manufacturer is closer to making true conceptual Indians then the high dollar american one. They are indian's in England, Dakota 4's in AMerica. That is a motorcycle, Volvo air cooled boat motor, BMW transmission, etc...

                              Ohh and you are aware that the Roasted peanuts have Salt added to them to add flavor then ground into peanut butter. They sell boiled peanuts here, they remind me of half cooked salty beans.

                              Yeah, let them hard drive manufacturers put windows on, as long as the debug-format utility can erase it completely.

                              Ohh, and "FORD" always says they have a better ideal. Tired of paying techs who can't fix thier computers? You remember the windows robot at SWM? It was the most labor intensive robot in the plant. Pain in the butt... Good thing I didn't have power there, I had a tool box and frustration.

                              Ohh, and "OUR" outhouse while growing up was a piano crate, Nothing like sitting down and finding out wasps had built a nest under the seat, and .... WE didn't even have a television set, the neighbor about a mile down the road had one we'd watch saturday westerns on. Whoo hoo, when I was about five we got a inside toilet and Seven, a black and white television. It was colored, well it had AMos and Andy on it late at night.

                              I growed up in the south, I had to read books for entertainment.

                              Kids don't know how lucky they are.

                              [This message has been edited by ibewgypsie (edited 09-25-2003).]

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                              • #30
                                IBEW: you say "I growed up in the south, I had to read books for entertainment". I been wondering why you poverty stricken hicks from the sticks are better educated than the rest of us. I been doing some reading that confirms that early reading increases knowledge. All this time I figured it was the superior diet Southern boys got.

                                Live and learn!
                                Peace,
                                Steve
                                PS: It like when I eat Mexican food- I KNOW I am gonna pay for my smart mouth, but by Gump, its worth it!!!!!!

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