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  • Evan
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    The precise detail of the construction will never be known but the fact remains that the pyramids exist and were built by men. Details such as time frames and the numbers of workers are only guesses. Not enough remains in the archeological record to provide definitive answers. We also don't even know the exact level of technology they used and that can make a very big difference.

    Placing stones at the bottom of the pyramid is the easiest and the quickest. The area and room to work is at a maximum and the lifting is at a minimum. As it grows in height the area and therefore the number of stones diminished approximately by the inverse square while the total weight to be lifted diminished by the inverse cube.

    Calculating the rate at which stones must be placed as an overall average ignores the realities of the construction.

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  • Mad Scientist
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    Originally posted by Evan
    2.2 minutes is a red herring. The pyramids were built by work gangs working in parallel, not serially. 1000 gangs of men have (according to your calculations) a day and a half to do the job, each gang. They have even longer if the blocks were larger and split to smaller blocks on site.
    Well I think it should be obvious that the pyramid was not built one stone at a time. But if the time estimate to build it and the number of stones in it are correct then whatever method they used they still had to set one stone in place every 2.2 minutes. So even if they had 1000’s of groups of “X” men each, then just keep out of each others way would have been a feat in itself. It seems to me that the areas around the pyramid and the quarry would have resembled a giant “traffic jam” and not very conducive to the production rates needed.

    I don’t claim to know how they did it but all the current explanations I’ve see come up short.

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  • A.K. Boomer
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    I don't know about the pyramid thing and how many guys it took but for a one man show this guys pretty tough to beat for consistent horsepower output, he's been going ever since Iv been out here and even way before that (40+ years)

    This Castle is not very far from where i live - iv watched it grow over the years to epic proportion, It really is awe inspiring...
    I do worry about it structurally and definitely fear tremors when im way up there...

    Jim is a total trip to talk to, very eccentric and lots of conspiracy theory's but a very nice guy also,,, Don't even get him started on the "Gubbermint"!

    http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06211/709125-37.stm

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  • mayfieldtm
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    I think it would be really cool project to restore and Reface one of the Pyramids.
    Might give the People there something to do and be proud of instead of blowing each other up and sucking on Hashish all day.
    They could get the marble from the 'Mosque of Mohammad Ali' that Artful Bodger was talking about.
    What would the cost be at today's rates?
    I heard recently that about the bottom 1/4 or so of the Pyramid was of a Darker Color.

    Tom M.

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  • dp
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    Originally posted by lazlo
    That is a cool video! He quotes in the video that he can move a 1 1/2 ton block 300 feet/hour (by himself!). They show him moving a barn. Multiply by 30,000 men...

    I need to look him up next time I move machinery
    I've been watching his web site for several years and it looks like his enthusiasm has waned. Or he's out of cash for buying concrete. But his solutions are amazing. Particularly the means for rolling blocks. The idea for it would be obvious to anyone who has rolled a square block in the sand. Left behind is the rough form necessary to recreate the rails from wood.

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  • lazlo
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    Originally posted by Mad Scientist
    Originally posted by Evan
    That is an interesting video. It shows what one man can do with simple tools and leverage.
    That is a cool video! He quotes in the video that he can move a 1 1/2 ton block 300 feet/hour (by himself!). They show him moving a barn. Multiply by 30,000 men...

    I need to look him up next time I move machinery

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  • Evan
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    2.2 minutes is a red herring. The pyramids were built by work gangs working in parallel, not serially. 1000 gangs of men have (according to your calculations) a day and a half to do the job, each gang. They have even longer if the blocks were larger and split to smaller blocks on site.

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  • Mad Scientist
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    Originally posted by Evan
    That is an interesting video. It shows what one man can do with simple tools and leverage.
    OK so now I would like to see what he and a whole bunch of this friends can do. I want them to take one of his large stones move it 20 miles then set it up all by hand and within 2.2 minutes.

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  • Rustybolt
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    According to my copy of "The Secrets of the great Pyramids" they-the ones at Cheops- were faced with white limestone that had been planed absolutely smooth. I think Herodotus mentioned limestone as well.

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  • Evan
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    Perhaps not, but the confusion is real. The facing is frequently reported as being marble.

    The pyramids were originally not as we know them today - they were covered by a facing, like marble or pink granite.
    http://www.ancientworldegypt.com/pyramids.html

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  • The Artful Bodger
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    There is not much excuse for now knowing what some of the pyramids were faced with as some still have a bit of the facing intact.

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  • Evan
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    The name Alabaster used to refer to a type of marble. There may be some confusion over what the pyramid was actually faced with. As usual, just about anything that is reported about the pyramids is subject to some suspicion as to the accuracy.

    The one thing we do know is that there is nothing about the construction of the pyramids that is somehow "impossible". They exist so that is obviously not the case. Invoking various "explanations" such as help from aliens and other fantasies is just plain ridiculous. There is nothing unique about the pyramids compared to similarly difficult projects have been undertaken at widely removed locations around the world except for scale. Far larger stones have been moved by the ancients using well known methods that require no modern equipment or technology.

    There are methods to easily move blocks of hundreds of tonnes using only manual methods. By laying down a series of logs like railway cross ties at the correct spacing a square block can be rolled over the logs with the corners of the block dipping between the logs and the flats rolling over the tops of the logs. The logs may even be replaced by low stone walls for long term use. When the stone is moved in this manner instead of skidding the amount of effort required is greatly reduced and the speed greatly increased.

    See this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCvx5...eature=related

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  • The Artful Bodger
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    Originally posted by Evan
    Of course we have a clue how they did it. Hard work using simple and well known methods is how they did it. It isn't miraculous, just awe inspiring.

    What we see now does not resemble how it appeared as built. The great pyramid was faced with white marble to present a smooth unbroken exterior. It would have been absolutely unclimbable securing the importance of the Pharaoh as a god. Later, the marble was robbed for other projects, not the least of which were hundreds of smaller pyramids that served as graves for various important people in later Egyptian society.
    Hmmmm, not sure I can agree there Evan. The most famous of the pyramids kept its skin until about 1000ad and much of the alabaster (not marble) covering is on the hill top in the mosque of Mohammad Ali.
    Last edited by The Artful Bodger; 07-25-2010, 11:48 PM.

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  • Evan
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    Of course we have a clue how they did it. Hard work using simple and well known methods is how they did it. It isn't miraculous, just awe inspiring.

    What we see now does not resemble how it appeared as built. The great pyramid was faced with white marble to present a smooth unbroken exterior. It would have been absolutely unclimbable securing the importance of the Pharaoh as a god. Later, the marble was robbed for other projects, not the least of which were hundreds of smaller pyramids that served as graves for various important people in later Egyptian society.
    Last edited by Evan; 07-25-2010, 10:25 PM.

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  • saltmine
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    Originally Posted by lazlo
    Supposedly the core of the Great Wall is filled with the bodies of the workers who died building it...


    Kinda like the Hoover Dam on the Colorado River....

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