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  • #16
    Originally posted by Too_Many_Tools
    Believe it or not, most of the country still doesn't have accessible hispeed Internet.
    is that by square mile or population?

    I have family in a rural area, waiting for high speed is kind of in the good luck department because the infrastructure cost vs p[otenital subscriber base is out wack...my brother's even looked into putting a microwave tower and reselling. Seems very frustrating
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Mcgyver
      is that by square mile or population?

      I have family in a rural area, waiting for high speed is kind of in the good luck department because the infrastructure cost vs p[otenital subscriber base is out wack...my brother's even looked into putting a microwave tower and reselling. Seems very frustrating
      Square mile.

      It is a national disgrace for the nation who invented the Internet.

      https://www.communicationsdirectnews....php/130/40978

      And if you have broadband, you better read this.

      https://www.communicationsdirectnews....php/130/41293

      And for everyone...it looks like we are all getting the shaft.

      http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/2010...liticallines_1

      TMT

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      • #18
        Originally posted by RB211
        With most dialup services, you get a different IP address when you reconnect.
        I would use a download manager like free download manager. It allows you to RESUME a download.
        I feel for you... Can't you go to a Mcdonalds and use their free wifi?

        IP address-allocation behavior is entirely configurable by the ISP, and is driven by how much demand versus how large a pool of IP addresses is available for a given geographic region. I almost always received the same address, unless a long period of time elapsed between log-ins. (That period is also configurable by the ISP: it might be a few days, even a few weeks.)


        Download managers:

        1. Whether or not a download is resume-able is dependent on both the client and the server. EG: some file-server companies, such as Rapidshare, allow a download to be resumed _only_ if you are a paying client. Freeloaders (a sizeable portion of their clientele), are not afforded the privilege of resumed downloads, and for a telephone-dialup user, downloading large files from Rapidshare is very problematic: the longer the connection must remain open, the higher the probability that the connection will be broken or become hung. The result: the download must be restarted from scratch - a rather myopic policy, to be sure.

        2. Some sites (I mentioned Google Books) are sensitive to large-scale content theft, and use watchdog software to monitor the behavior of downloading clients. Too many bytes per unit time, too many connections per unit time, and you may become blacklisted, or have the download terminated. Most DM's can be configured to restrict the # of connections, but there are other behavioral criteria being evaluated as well.

        >>> I feel for you

        (chuckle) well, I have cable-based net access today, so downloads aren't usually a problem. But: unless one is heavily into videos, realtime gaming, etc I still feel that telephone internet access is a perfectly reasonable and affordable way to go. If I had to go back, I could do it - with some period of adjustment

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        • #19
          Originally posted by tlfamm
          IP address-allocation behavior is entirely configurable by the ISP, and is driven by how much demand versus how large a pool of IP addresses is available for a given geographic region. I almost always received the same address, unless a long period of time elapsed between log-ins. (That period is also configurable by the ISP: it might be a few days, even a few weeks.)


          Download managers:

          1. Whether or not a download is resume-able is dependent on both the client and the server. EG: some file-server companies, such as Rapidshare, allow a download to be resumed _only_ if you are a paying client. Freeloaders (a sizeable portion of their clientele), are not afforded the privilege of resumed downloads, and for a telephone-dialup user, downloading large files from Rapidshare is very problematic: the longer the connection must remain open, the higher the probability that the connection will be broken or become hung. The result: the download must be restarted from scratch - a rather myopic policy, to be sure.

          2. Some sites (I mentioned Google Books) are sensitive to large-scale content theft, and use watchdog software to monitor the behavior of downloading clients. Too many bytes per unit time, too many connections per unit time, and you may become blacklisted, or have the download terminated. Most DM's can be configured to restrict the # of connections, but there are other behavioral criteria being evaluated as well.

          >>> I feel for you

          (chuckle) well, I have cable-based net access today, so downloads aren't usually a problem. But: unless one is heavily into videos, realtime gaming, etc I still feel that telephone internet access is a perfectly reasonable and affordable way to go. If I had to go back, I could do it - with some period of adjustment
          Thanks for the info.

          I am downloading directly from IE...no other download managers.

          I find that I can download other files from other sites with the same physical setup and same connection.

          TMT

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          • #20
            I'm on dial-up and have the same problem; but, it is not limited to PDF files. Pictures behave in the same way.

            It seems to depend upon the site in question. Most sites seem to have some sort of download manager that cuts off the process after a given amount of time. It's their way of keeping their systems from being monopolized by slowpoke connections like yours and mine.

            On the other hand, some commercial sites are very "patient." Seeing as how their business depends upon maintaining the connections, no matter how slow, they'll continue the download. For instance, Netflix may time out on graphics; but, not on text. Enco is much the same way, although I wish Enco would cut down on some of their graphics; they take forever to download.

            Every Thursday a coffee and ice-cream shop in town features a dollar-a-scoop special; so, the wife and I load up our laptops and enjoy their broadband hot-spot while we pig out on some of the best ice cream, ever.

            Orrin
            So many projects. So little time.

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            • #21
              the problem is the fools who have dial up, that's what we had in 1999. what is wrong with you TMT, YOU HAVE NO MONEY? HOW ABOUT YOU GET A JOB?

              Maybe Obama will give you free internet so you dont have to work anymore.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by oldbikerdude37
                the problem is the fools who have dial up, that's what we had in 1999. what is wrong with you TMT, YOU HAVE NO MONEY? HOW ABOUT YOU GET A JOB?

                Maybe Obama will give you free internet so you dont have to work anymore.
                Have another drink and then go to bed oldbikerdude37.
                Get at least 8 hours rest, it'll help that nasty attitude.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by oldbikerdude37
                  the problem is the fools who have dial up, that's what we had in 1999. what is wrong with you TMT, YOU HAVE NO MONEY? HOW ABOUT YOU GET A JOB?

                  Maybe Obama will give you free internet so you dont have to work anymore.

                  LOL...first I have no job and then I do...please make up your mind.

                  Millions of Americans have only dialup to choose from because the telecom companies are unwilling to run broadband to their locations....they simply don't want to upgrade their infrastructure.

                  That unwillingness was allowed and aided by the previous Administration.

                  The current Administration is working to extend broadband to all Americans.

                  And of course the Party of NO is fighting it tooth and claw.

                  Try reading some of this...

                  It is a national disgrace for the nation who invented the Internet.

                  https://www.communicationsdirectnews....php/130/40978

                  And if you have broadband, you better read this.

                  https://www.communicationsdirectnews....php/130/41293

                  And for everyone...it looks like we are all getting the shaft.

                  http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/2010...ticallines _1

                  I think it is apparent to most people now that the ready access to the Internet will be a key component for productivity and new business in the future.

                  In my opinion, it is incredibly stupid for this Country not to be in the lead in connecting its population to the Internet.

                  And note again which Party is trying to prevent it from happening.

                  TMT

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by oldbikerdude37
                    the problem is the fools who have dial up, that's what we had in 1999. what is wrong with you TMT, YOU HAVE NO MONEY? HOW ABOUT YOU GET A JOB?

                    Maybe Obama will give you free internet so you dont have to work anymore.
                    Very interesting that you are a mod on another site.

                    I am glad that you are not a mod on this fine site.

                    TMT

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Too_Many_Tools
                      LOL...first I have no job and then I do...please make up your mind.

                      Millions of Americans have only dialup to choose from because the telecom companies are unwilling to run broadband to their locations....they simply don't want to upgrade their infrastructure.

                      That unwillingness was allowed and aided by the previous Administration.

                      The current Administration is working to extend broadband to all Americans.

                      And of course the Party of NO is fighting it tooth and claw.

                      Try reading some of this...

                      It is a national disgrace for the nation who invented the Internet.

                      https://www.communicationsdirectnews....php/130/40978

                      And if you have broadband, you better read this.

                      https://www.communicationsdirectnews....php/130/41293

                      And for everyone...it looks like we are all getting the shaft.

                      http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/2010...ticallines _1

                      I think it is apparent to most people now that the ready access to the Internet will be a key component for productivity and new business in the future.

                      In my opinion, it is incredibly stupid for this Country not to be in the lead in connecting its population to the Internet.

                      And note again which Party is trying to prevent it from happening.

                      TMT

                      Your links don't work....I'm on a 6 mb DSL line, by the way.

                      Let's blame Bush for everything. The present administration hasn't done a thing, let alone high speed.....

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                      • #26
                        dialup

                        Frequently on dialup this kind of problem can be caused by badly configured routers that interfere with MTU path discovery.

                        Each network interface/link has a maximum amount it can transfer in one packet (MTU). The computer can set a lower value of MTU than imposed by the hardware for a particular interface and for particular connections. Also, the other side of the link may impose an MTU.

                        For dialup lines, MTU is usually set smaller. Around 576 bytes typically. The reason being there are no passing lanes on the link - only one packet can be on the link at a time and big packets can tie up the link for a while and prevent other packets, which might be more urgent, from getting through. So your FTP session could make your telnet session almost unusable due to delays, for example. In particular, the router at the other end of your dialup connection probably sets an MTU of 576.

                        At the beginning of a TCP network connection, each system tells the other what their Maximum Segment Size is, a number which should be less than or equal to the MTU on that network interface. Each side will try to respect the other sides MTU, but somewhere in between a smaller limit may be imposed. A process called MTU path discovery is used to find the largest MTU supported along the link so all packets will be sent smaller than that. Basically, you send a big packet with some bits set to say the packet can't be fragmented. If it runs into a limit along the way, that node on the network is supposed to send an ICMP error message back indicating the maximum size (which doesn't always happen) and misconfigured routers can block ICMP messages. Some incompetent network administrators block all ICMP messages indiscriminantly because a few of them have been abused for network attacks. Even the ones used for attacks exist for a reason and blocking them outright causes trouble.

                        Windoze in particular tends to advertise an MTU (1480) on dialup connections which is bigger than the router on the other end will permit and makes it hard to set this. Real operating systems allow you to set the MTU with the ifconfig program while configuring a link (and gui frontends can do likewise), so setting the MTU is just a few extra keystrokes on the command to configure a network interface. On windoze, this is hidden in the registry.

                        TCP/IP has an ability to break packets up into fragments and reassemble them. But this is not supported on all links and the server you are talking to may set the Don't Fragment bit prohibiting this. Since it is more efficient to send the right size packet in the first place, the server will use Path MTU discovery with Don't Fragment set on each packet.

                        A feature of TCP/IP called congestion avoidance tries to limit the amount of data sent on each TCP connection so that packets don't get dropped on the network. Part of this is slow start. Each tcp connection starts by sending small packets and if it doesn't get an ICMP source quench message it tries a little bigger on the next and so on until the packets are up to the full mtu size.

                        So, initially, the data gets through because it is in small packets. Then as the packets get bigger, they get clobbered. So you get some data through and then you stop.

                        If you reconfigure the MTU/RSS on your dialup connection to be less than or equal to the MTU imposed on the other end of your dialup link, the problems should go away, if this is the cause. Try 576.
                        http://www.internetweekly.org/llarrow/mtumss.html

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                        • #27
                          I donno....I've got DSL through telephone lines that I suspect Thomas Edison put up himself. Once the net provider got their act together, it's been alright.

                          I used to have dial-up, years ago...but I had Windows 3.1 and a 300 Baud modem too. So it didn't matter.

                          If Osama Obama gets his mitts in it, we'll be using semaphore flags
                          Last edited by saltmine; 08-24-2010, 04:15 PM.
                          No good deed goes unpunished.

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                          • #28
                            the problem is the fools who have dial up, that's what we had in 1999. what is wrong with you TMT, YOU HAVE NO MONEY? HOW ABOUT YOU GET A JOB?
                            Well, it's obvious the "37" in your handle is your IQ. Asshole.

                            In my rural location in a deep canyon the only Internet access I can get is via dial-up. I resent being called a fool by someone who is obviously from a village who has lost its idiot. I am a veteran. I am retired after being gainfully employed during my working entire career. I have never been unemployed a single day in my life; until retirement, that is.

                            Orrin
                            So many projects. So little time.

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                            • #29
                              Dialup here. Try fixing your operating system. http://goodbye-windows.com
                              Downloads work just fine, just be patient.

                              If anyone here can get the full files (check the sizes) from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/.../i386/iso-dvd/ with Windows I'd like to hear how you did it. TIA.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by gnm109
                                Your links don't work....I'm on a 6 mb DSL line, by the way.

                                Let's blame Bush for everything. The present administration hasn't done a thing, let alone high speed.....
                                They do now.

                                https://www.communicationsdirectnews....php/130/40978

                                https://www.communicationsdirectnews....php/130/41293

                                http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/2010...liticallines_1

                                Apparently one cannot cut and paste links on this site.

                                I give Bush Administration the credit they deserve.

                                You are welcome to provide any references you want to show me what efforts they supported for Internet advancement...I would like to see them.

                                If you read the links I have provided, you will see that the current Administration is trying to bring the United State into the current century to catch up with other countries that have surpassed us. When a country has been standing still for eight years, it takes more than 19 months to catch up....especially when the Party of NO is kicking and screaming all the way trying to obstruct progress.

                                Meanwhile millions of Americans are stuck with overpriced dialup watching pages take minutes to load....

                                TMT

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