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  • #16
    Originally posted by lazlo
    I've walked several relatives through connecting WiFi over the phone, and I'd rather have a root canal.
    Last night I tried to talk my brother (a Windows guy) through getting into a wireless router on my parent's system (Mac to some router) so he could get his Windows laptop to see the network. I work more with Linux systems than anything.

    We didn't get too far.

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    • #17
      step 1: place laptop in garbage can

      step 2: buy a mac

      step 3: turn it on and it works, it just works

      gotta love mac

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      • #18
        I will take it to our local Paner Bread tonight and see if it will connect.

        The issue is that it has flawlessly found and wirelessly connected to my network (wireless router). Something in Vista just won't let it access the Internet.

        Chit.

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        • #19
          Do you have anything else connecting to this network via wireless? It might not be a problem at all with the laptop or Vista. It could be your router.

          What router do you have and are you familiar with setting it up? Do you have any security enabled?
          Location: The Black Forest in Germany

          How to become a millionaire: Start out with 10 million and take up machining as a hobby!

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          • #20
            With vista you need to set the network from private to public. You can do this in the network connections windows. It will say something about "local" click on the change thing and change it to public. Then you can get on the internet.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by garagemark
              I will take it to our local Paner Bread tonight and see if it will connect.

              The issue is that it has flawlessly found and wirelessly connected to my network (wireless router). Something in Vista just won't let it access the Internet.

              Chit.
              I had this problem with grandaughters desktop last spring and summer. It did work at one time but I don't keep track of what
              goes on with her stuff. :-) Anyway I took it back east to her dad
              and let him play with it but she ended up with a laptop and it worked
              fine (after we finally figured out the "key" wasn't what was on the
              lable). So the problem isn't with Vista it's with BillGates in general.
              This was XP .
              I do hear 7 is almost as good as XP. :-)
              ...lew...

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              • #22
                I thought I had enabled "public" but now I'm not so sure. I'll tackle it again tonight.

                I need to figure out how to do this because that is the computer she wants to take with her when our new granddaughter is born in a couple of weeks. Our daughter has wireless but I need to to make it work here first so I know what to tell her to do when she gets to the kid's house.

                I am doing this thread wirelessly from my garage across the street from my house. I have no security whatsoever enabled (it's unlikely for someone to swipe net time from me. I live in the country and there is little opportunity for someone to even get close by).

                Thanks for the help to this point. I'll work on it again in a bit. Stand by for more later.

                Oh, and the Mac thing is very much in my mind for the next portable.

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                • #23
                  Garagemark: Bought a new dell laptop with windows 7 pro. It has hooked up to networks all over the country, home, work, motel, etc with little help from me. Of course, I did not have any trouble with XP either. Guess I am just lucky.
                  Please let us know what the solution to your problem is.
                  Thanks.
                  John Burchett
                  in Byng OK

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by macona
                    With vista you need to set the network from private to public.
                    Don't do this, unless you have a hardware firewall.

                    All the XP/Vista/Win7 network profiles do is change the firewall settings, and turn network discovery on and off. The "Public" profile sets the most restrictive Firewall settings and disables Network Discovery.
                    "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did."

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                    • #25
                      Don't do this, unless you have a hardware firewall.
                      This is a must for everyone IMO.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by lazlo
                        Don't do this, unless you have a hardware firewall.

                        All the XP/Vista/Win7 network profiles do is change the firewall settings, and turn network discovery on and off. The "Public" profile sets the most restrictive Firewall settings and disables Network Discovery.

                        Can you get a router without one anymore?

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by macona
                          Can you get a router without one anymore?
                          My point is that changing the network profiles is disabling your security. You need to be able to get your Wifi working without reducing your security coverage.
                          "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did."

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                          • #28
                            maybe not the laptop

                            Look at your router settings.
                            Do you have that limited to how many PCs it will allow to connect to the internet?

                            Can you ping your router from the laptop?
                            I'm not familiar at all with windows Vista... so here's basically what you need to do
                            1) Open a command line
                            ---- hold the Windows key then press R and then type cmd in the little box that should pop up
                            ---- or go to the start menu and see if there is a "Run" entry. Type cmd in the dialog box

                            2) Do you know your router's IP address?
                            ----- type IPCONFIG in the command line and look for the IP address of the Default Gateway. That should provide you with the internal IP address of your router (assuming you're truly connected to it)

                            3) write that number from above down, it should be 192.167.1.1 or something similar
                            ----- type PING 192.167.1.1 from your command line
                            If that returns a result, then you are connected to your router. At that point its likely time to check the router settings instead of your PC settings.
                            Last edited by CompositeEngr; 10-03-2010, 10:51 AM.

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                            • #29
                              nothing wrong with vista... you just need to take the time to learn how to use it or set it up properly.... just like any other complex tool.

                              99.9% of the time it will be a security or setting error....

                              does it connect when hardwired?

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                              • #30
                                Robert,

                                I'm not so sure it isn't easier under linux. In Suse 11.2, I was over at the lab the other day and 1 click had me leaching the neighbor's wifi. I wasn't really trying to do it, I just had gone up to the network tools to see what I networks I could see since the machine said it saw some. 1 click and I had accidentally connected to an insecure access point.

                                --Cameron

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