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    George H. Thomas's book "The Model Engineers Workshop Manual
    Just read about this book. Went online and there were lists of FREE ? downloads well a hour later besides one asking for a credit card number ???I wonder what all the crap about free book reading ect. online is all about? Anyways has anyone ever seen this book available for free online reading? I was especially interested in the custom through chuck style boring bar./ Thanx Mike

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    Have a look at Google Books. The title popped up but I am outside the US and the service isn't available. Your books publishing date seems kind of new and might not be out of the copyright time frame.

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    • #3
      I don't think there are any legitimate download/reading sites for that book.

      There are pirated copies available on the net. Some are hosted without permission on legitimate file sharing sites (rapidshare, filefactory) that make you either pay for a subscription or wait to download. At least one of those was pulled and at least one still seems to be alive. Then there are more sites that are pay only download. Then there are the search engine spam sites that just link to the pay download sites and each other.

      This is the publisher's page:
      http://www.teepublishing.co.uk/searc...KSHOP%20MANUAL

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      • #4
        Originally posted by whitis
        There are pirated copies available on the net. Some are hosted without permission on legitimate file sharing sites (rapidshare, filefactory) that make you either pay for a subscription or wait to download.
        I've discussed the site you're talking about with several prominent members here. They have every Tee Publishing book, every Projects In Metal, Metalworking, and Shop Wisdom of ... book.

        Apparently you download an encrypted .PDF, and they charge you for the decryption key. It amazes me that Village Press hasn't sued them by now.

        This is the reason I think that the digital subscription to the Village Press magazines is a profoundly bad idea. It took less than 2 months for the entire set of digital archives of Model Engineering Workshop (for which I paid $50 USD) to show up on BitTorrent... I expect the same thing to happen with the digital editions of Home Shop Machinist and Digital Machinist.
        Last edited by lazlo; 12-09-2010, 10:43 PM.
        "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did."

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        • #5
          Holy crap batman! MEW is on bittorent?

          Is it in a better format than the godawful reading method that I get with my paid subscription?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by lazlo
            I've discussed the site you're talking about with several prominent members here. They have every Tee Publishing book, every Projects In Metal, Metalworking, and Shop Wisdom of ... book.
            And which site are you referring to? Rapidshare? It is a file sharing site - with whatever random users upload. Many are legitimate but there are also many pirated works there (which are taken down if the publisher complains), including scans of dead tree editions.

            Limiting yourself to dead tree distribution can hurt yourself and your customers. Many people don't want dead tree editions taking up space, that they can't read on the go, etc. The people downloading the pirated copies probably aren't going to buy, anyway. Many publishers and media companies are paranoid that the copies are just as good as the paid originals; their "solution" to this problem is to make the paid originals worse than the copies (copy protection).

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            • #7
              It took less than 2 months for the entire set of digital archives of Model Engineering Workshop (for which I paid $50 USD) to show up on BitTorrent...
              Haven't had a look at the "Bays" rip offs but is the quality the same as MHS's overpriced service??

              What you've missed in your post Lazlo is the fact to obtain the "Priveledge" of the digital access subscription is that it's a yearly renewal service for a badly produced archive.

              Whilst not advocating copyright infringement, the only way to combat it is to make a copy available for a fair price but there are those who would never buy them no matter how cheap.

              There does seem to be however a vast number of the British Model Engineering titles we are allowed to "Share", bet there would be howls of outrage if other modern publications were ripped.

              Regards Ian.
              You might not like what I say,but that doesn't mean I'm wrong.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Circlip
                Haven't had a look at the "Bays" rip offs but is the quality the same as MHS's overpriced service??

                What you've missed in your post Lazlo is the fact to obtain the "Priveledge" of the digital access subscription is that it's a yearly renewal service for a badly produced archive.
                Gotta agree with the quality statement.

                I purchased the MEW access, and wish I hadn't....at least now I'll get something that I can hopefully, easily navigate....and read offline.

                I guess the question now becomes, do I renew my digital archive access, or do I spend that money on getting a hard copy instead.

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                • #9
                  I can understand young cool city types not wanting to burden their shelves with anything other than Madonna's book on female pheromonics, or a coffee table treatise on bungee jumping. And they might live in cramped apartments, as I know they don't all get bonuses.

                  But our way of life has to include space for bits of iron, so spare space for the odd 5 volumes of Holzappfel should be possible. When the time comes for me to chuck out all my tools, I'll still keep my shelf of old machinery books.

                  I'm sorry, but I'm having a hard time associating someone who wants to read about machining techniques with the same person wanting to rip off publishers in the same field by uploading material.

                  Bar stewards !
                  Richard - SW London, UK, EU.

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                  • #10
                    You are kidding me right?

                    You are talking about the publishers that screw the actual authors out of anything resembling a paycheck, then charge exorbinant prices for their perils of printing (or in the case of the kindle, simpy converting the authors typewritten words to their format).

                    I pay, on average, $200 per copy for my various veterinary texts. It is strange to me that I can buy a similar sized book with better quality printing for $30 at retail with fiction in it, all the while, the fiction author getting paid considerably more.

                    I've personally got no qualms telling Elsevier, Blackwell, and any other educational publisher out there to suck it.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by snowman
                      I've personally got no qualms telling Elsevier, Blackwell, and any other educational publisher out there to suck it.
                      Why? You just begrudge $200 for a text....that doesn't mean they're doing anything wrong or that the price is unfair. It is simply a matter of volume. Examining a $200 medical/scientific text vs the the $30 novel provides zero insight into whether publishing is lucrative or that they are being unfair.

                      Informa, a publicly traded med/science publisher averages a 7.5% net profit, respectable but not over the top. Some of their subscription titles (the old G&B line for example) are thousands per year often with only 4 issues appearing.....but they only make a 7.5% profit? Obviously the answer is very low volumes vs popular fiction.
                      Last edited by Mcgyver; 12-10-2010, 10:51 AM.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by whitis
                        Originally posted by Lazlo
                        I've discussed the site you're talking about with several prominent members here. They have every Tee Publishing book, every Projects In Metal, Metalworking, and Shop Wisdom of ... book.
                        And which site are you referring to? Rapidshare? It is a file sharing site - with whatever random users upload.
                        The website to which I'm referring is a professional website (it looks like a legitimate business) with a giant catalog of illegally scanned Pdf's of hobby-related publications. Each entry in their catalog links to encrypted Pdf's they've uploaded on various file sharing websites, including Rapidshare.

                        I'm told by other members here that the way their system works, you download the encrypted Pdf for free, and pay for the decryption key.

                        Meaning, anyone else who downloads the file from Rapidshare et al won't be able to read it until they've paid for the encryption key.
                        "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did."

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Circlip
                          Originally posted by Lazlo
                          It took less than 2 months for the entire set of digital archives of Model Engineering Workshop (for which I paid $50 USD) to show up on BitTorrent...
                          Haven't had a look at the "Bays" rip offs but is the quality the same as MHS's overpriced service??
                          I downloaded the Bittorrent to see what they were, and they are in fact the same crappy scans that I paid $50/year to read online with MyHobbyStore's lousy Flash reader.

                          What you've missed in your post Lazlo is the fact to obtain the "Priveledge" of the digital access subscription is that it's a yearly renewal service for a badly produced archive.
                          Yes, sorry for that omission Ian. I've posted before that MyHobbyStore is the perfect antithesis of Village Press: terrible customer service, userous subscription rates for North American subscribers (but not Europe, Australia or New Zealand ???), retroactively reducing the size of the digital archives we already paid for, and a clunky scheme to "rent" access to a badly produced archive with an oddball Flash reader...

                          Lest Tiffie imply that we're whinging -- the scans are so bad that in many cases you can't see what's in the pictures, or read the dimensions off the plans
                          "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did."

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Mcgyver
                            Why? You just begrudge $200 for a text....that doesn't mean they're doing anything wrong or that the price is unfair. It is simply a matter of volume. Examining a $200 medical/scientific text vs the the $30 novel provides zero insight into whether publishing is lucrative or that they are being unfair.
                            One might think your line of thinking if the digital versions coming out were not sold for the same, or a very lightly discounted price. If they are doing that with virtually no overhead costs for the digital version, do you really think that the costs are related to sales?

                            The costs are related to what we are used to. I expect to pay $200 for a textbook (and have to), while I would be enraged to pay $200 for a work of fiction (and wouldn't).

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                            • #15
                              Good ole "My balls are sore", another advantage of purchasing the "Official" digital rip off is that those on the site are incomplete, the plans included as a pull out aren't. Don't understand how the accountants passed up the opertunity to have a FREE, quality scanned archive. Bet Percival Marshal is rotating at high velocity in his grave.

                              Rohart, I started with Issue 1 of MEW and have approx 80 issues which take up a groaning 2Ft. of wall space together with the attendant weight. My holiday reading is greatly enhanced by being able to take the whole damn lot with me on one or the other type of plastic storage media. Figure.

                              Regards Ian.
                              You might not like what I say,but that doesn't mean I'm wrong.

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