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  • OT: Look what China is building

    Saw this on DailyTech today:

    The Chengdu J-20. Developed by Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group for the People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF).
    Sec. Gates Says China May be "Somewhat Further Along" in J-20 Program Than Previously Thought

    The Chinese military is using the money generated by its growing economy to invest heavily in military technology and new weapons systems. China continues to insist that it is not a threat, but many analysts believe the move to beef up its military is an effort to make the U.S. and allies think twice about intervening in any potential future conflict over Taiwan.

    One of the new weapon systems that China is developing is a new fifth-generation jet fighter aircraft called the J-20. Photos and video of the aircraft have been surfacing over the last month and many of the photos are from what is thought to be a runway taxi test of the prototype. The Pentagon stated previously that it thought China was years away from putting the aircraft into production and getting it into the air.




    Look familiar?

    Here's ours:

    "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did."

  • #2
    I don't think the US has anything to fear from this.
    China can take over the US just by dumping currency if it wants to.
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    Sir John , Earl of Bligeport & Sudspumpwater. MBE [ Motor Bike Engineer ] Nottingham England.



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    • #3
      It would not be surprised to find out that "ours" was built in China
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      • #4
        Originally posted by John Stevenson
        I don't think the US has anything to fear from this.
        The other problem they'll have is they tend to paint their machines red or orange, so copying the F-22's stealth frame isn't nearly a useful
        "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did."

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        • #5
          Originally posted by John Stevenson
          I don't think the US has anything to fear from this.
          China can take over the US just by dumping currency if it wants to.
          The US is in a better position then the UK though which is totally stuffed economically..

          The plans for the F-35B were stolen a couple of years ago..

          This would be a propaganda model....Probably does not fly and even if it did would certainly not have the capabilities of the real F-35B
          Precision takes time.

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          • #6
            I don't know why this surprises anyone??
            We've been sending them all the infornmation on damn near everything in our country for the last 40 years. We send them the ideas, the blueprints, the materials, the engineering etc etc, everything they need to manufacture everything we want, all they have to do is supply the people to do it.

            So why is it such a mystery that they shouidl build somethig for themselves that we already have, and lo and behold, guess what, it looks just like the one we have.

            Who'da thunk!!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by .RC.
              This would be a propaganda model....Probably does not fly and even if it did would certainly not have the capabilities of the real F-35B
              The pictures were intentionally leaked. They took the J-20 prototype out to a public airport and had it taxi around over and over, in front of a bunch or press that "happened" to be there.

              So China's trying to make some kind of point -- I don't know if this is the time of year for Taiwan's annual military exercises?
              "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did."

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              • #8
                It is no suprise to me if you read the bible it wouldn't be a suprise to you either.

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                • #9
                  I don't think the US has anything to fear from this.
                  China can take over the US just by dumping currency if it wants to.
                  +1. In addition, and more insidiously, China can influence policy around election time.

                  Didya ever wonder how China got off the 'Spy List'?

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                  • #10
                    It doesn't have thrust vectoring capability,so it ain't the same,least not yet.

                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjqTA...eature=related
                    I just need one more tool,just one!

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                    • #11
                      There is nothing surprising about that aircraft. It is about on par with the F22. That makes it 20 year old technology.
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                      • #12
                        Grounded

                        China can afford to build it - if it wants to?

                        Can the USA afford - or will it be allowed to build (or continue) to build them?

                        Its a good tactical ploy by China to give US law-makers with constituent military establishments and contractors/builders/designers - as well as the military - to start some solid arm-twisting for either more funds or for the current proposed cuts in funds to be eliminated or drastically reduced.

                        If the US needs more funds it is going to have to issue more government bonds and have to accept what ever conditions and interest rates are set by the lender/s (China and other sovereign wealth funds).

                        Sovereign wealth funds can be for funding otherwise unfunded liabilities that might otherwise have to funded on an on-going basis from consolidated revenue. Those funds can also be used to strategic and tactical advantage.

                        China is not fighting any wars and with its technology is well able to see how the US uses its weapons, people, infrastructure, technology, tactics, diplomacy and the associated costs and benefits at least cost.

                        China can well afford to - it may be argued that it cannot afford not to.

                        Can the US keep going with these incredible expenditures, deficits and unfunded liabilities - or can't it afford not to either?

                        It seems that the US has a tiger by the tail (and can't let it go!!) while the big Asian tigers watches and waits and bides its time.

                        If the US military and others causes the US economy to "tank" and default on all or parts of its debts it will be much worse than when Russia and Argentina defaulted.

                        If the US "Fed" chooses to deliberately inflate the US$ to reduce its debt burden it may well have other unintended or not made publicly known consequences.

                        The UK has quite a history of buckling under the costs of their military over time and that have made some pretty drastic cuts lately with more coming.

                        Many other countries have been badly burdened by war and military debt.

                        Asians are master negotiators and tacticians and of using their strengths to their own advantage.

                        Perhaps while the Chinese are "showing off" their taxi-ing stealth fighter-bomber on the ground, they are also flying some pretty sophisticated "kites" as well.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Evan
                          There is nothing surprising about that aircraft. It is about on par with the F22.
                          Nobody knows, because it doesn't fly
                          "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did."

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                          • #14
                            It will fly. There is no reason to doubt that.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by .RC.
                              The US is in a better position then the UK though which is totally stuffed economically..
                              The World's Biggest Debtor Nations

                              20. United States External debt (as % of GDP): 95.9%
                              19. Australia External debt (as % of GDP): 108.8%
                              18. Hungary External debt (as % of GDP): 124.2%
                              17. Italy External debt (as % of GDP): 154.6%
                              16. Greece External debt (as % of GDP): 175.3%
                              15. Spain External debt (as % of GDP): 184.7%
                              14. Germany External debt (as % of GDP): 189.4%
                              13. Finland External debt (as % of GDP): 205.7%
                              12. Norway External debt (as % of GDP): 208.9%
                              11. Hong Kong External debt (as % of GDP): 218.8%
                              10. Portugal External debt (as % of GDP): 231.5%
                              9. France External debt (as % of GDP): 247.2%
                              8. Austria External debt (as % of GDP): 268.9%
                              7. Sweden External debt (as % of GDP): 275%
                              6. Denmark External debt (as % of GDP): 315.2%
                              5. Belgium External debt (as % of GDP): 345.6%
                              4. Switzerland External debt (as % of GDP): 390%
                              3. Netherlands External debt (as % of GDP): 395.6%
                              2. United Kingdom External debt (as % of GDP): 427.6%
                              1. Ireland External debt (as % of GDP): 1,352%
                              "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did."

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