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  • Chinese Tools - A change in the balance of power

    It seems to becoming more common to buy tooling direct from China via Hong Kong bypassing the local rip-off middlemen and saving a whole bunch, even after taking into account the shipping costs. I recently bought an ER40 chuck that arrived 2 1/2 days after placing the order, the price and quality were excellent.

    It occurred to me that it might be a good idea to assemble a list of Hong Kong internet sellers who have provided good service to members.

    Here's my link.

    http://stores.ebay.com/onelineseller...=p4634.c0.m322

    Phil

  • #2
    You should post this on PM too. They'd appreciate the info.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Tony Ennis
      You should post this on PM too. They'd appreciate the info.
      You had better put a smiley after that. :-)
      ...lew...

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      • #4
        Of course, When you buy direct from hong kong/china/etc, By cutting out all the middlemen, Not a single cent of yours remains in the country. Not a single human in your country is employed to stock shelfs, sweep isles, run the checkout or process returns.

        Well, Except maybe the postman. He gets to keep his job at least. Assuming everyone can still find a job somewhere to be able to afford ordering more chinese junk.

        Just a thought on world economics.
        Play Brutal Nature, Black Moons free to play highly realistic voxel sandbox game.

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        • #5
          Everything in thier USA store is metric! Whats with that??? (Oh Gawd! what have I started???)
          Ernie (VE7ERN)

          May the wind be always at your back

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          • #6
            Simple, just give the middleman saving to your local charity. The middleman can go out and find a job that adds value.

            Maintaining inefficient systems and processes purely to provide work without adding value are domed to failure, look at what happened to communist Europe.

            Just a more pragmatic thought on world economics.

            Phil

            Originally posted by Black_Moons
            Of course, When you buy direct from hong kong/china/etc, By cutting out all the middlemen, Not a single cent of yours remains in the country. Not a single human in your country is employed to stock shelfs, sweep isles, run the checkout or process returns.

            Well, Except maybe the postman. He gets to keep his job at least. Assuming everyone can still find a job somewhere to be able to afford ordering more chinese junk.

            Just a thought on world economics.

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            • #7
              Simple, just give the middleman saving to your local charity. The middleman can go out and find a job that adds value.
              Brutal, but I can think of no flaw in it.

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              • #8
                philbur: Eh, While I do find physical first hand inspection of items before buying them (physical stores verus online) and easy, 100% no shiping cost (if you wait till the next time you go there to buy stuff anyway) returns to be somewhat of 'add value', I also admit you raise a very valid point about jobs that I endorse whole heartly.

                Jobs should not be about employing people for employment sake. If anything, Jobs should be eliminated with cut throat efficency whenever possible.
                Why have 1000 factory workers when you can have 10 techs/repair guys that maintain the equivilent amount of automated machinery?
                'you fired 990 people! They don't have jobs anymore!', Yea, but they where 990 people doing stupid manual work that I bet not one of them actualy enjoyed. And none where paid enough to live life they way they want. Put tab A into Slot B, Repeat 90,000 times, 5 days a week, 52 weeks a year.
                Now we have 10 people who do something a little more varyed and much harder and more expensive to automate. 10 jobs that require education, Thinking and actual skills. They might even enjoy thier jobs to some degree as it is at least not 100% mindless repeation. And being they are the only 10 guys to pay in the entire factory, they would likey earn a lot more doing the highly skilled repair/maintence then mind numbing assembley work of the people obsoleted.

                Jobs, Should be about doing work that is done better manualy then pratical automation methods. We all work way too much, And enjoy outselfs too little, Because of all these jobs that need doing!

                Yea, Maybe a lot of people will end up outta work. Or maybe without need to pay all these people wages for employments sake, Things will become so cheap, and the few remaining jobs pay so much, That you only need to work 1 day a week to maintain your current lifestyle.

                And as for my physical store 'Added value'.. A giant (array of?) vending machine(s) could pertty much replace most of the staff in a store. Even stocking the machines could be done by machines. And packing broken/returned stuff up to send back to the factory.
                Last edited by Black_Moons; 02-25-2011, 08:40 PM.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by philbur
                  Simple, just give the middleman saving to your local charity. The middleman can go out and find a job that adds value.

                  Maintaining inefficient systems and processes purely to provide work without adding value are domed to failure, look at what happened to communist Europe.

                  Just a more pragmatic thought on world economics.

                  Phil
                  But be prepared to have to buy everything from China when the middlemen decide it's not worth the hassle and shut up shop.
                  .

                  Sir John , Earl of Bligeport & Sudspumpwater. MBE [ Motor Bike Engineer ] Nottingham England.



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                  • #10
                    Never a truer word John.

                    Use em or loose em!

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                    • #11
                      All good in theory until aftermarket service is needed for warranty work, or repairs, parts or service are needed a couple of years down the road.
                      Jim H.

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                      • #12
                        That's the value-add, JCHannum. Also, QC on the inbound side will help too. Returns are better too. Returning something to China would be... expensive.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Black_Moons
                          Of course, When you buy direct from hong kong/china/etc, By cutting out all the middlemen,
                          Sad part, many of us have tried unsuccessfully to become an authorized dealer for a USA/European product line and then get turned down for what ever reason. I am going to sell new product if we have buyers and if the USA/European manufactures do not sell to us, so be it, China does not ask questions. Chinese manufactures treat their USA customers like gold, they ask how many and tell me where to wire the funds. Their sales reps are very pro-active, something unheard of nowdays, can you really blame some one for shopping China direct......

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                          • #14
                            Those 990 people might not be making what they want to make, but, they could be VERY glad they have a job and are doing their best. Also beats having 990 more people competing for nonexistent jobs.
                            mark costello-Low speed steel

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                            • #15
                              Im not afraid to be seen buying or using an asian tool or two upon occasion, but choose to pay a bit more for quality U.S. made tools the majority of the time. For me its more than quality though, its economics and a matter of resale value. Just as many farmers have found out the hard way, the orange tractor they bought new isnt worth as much in ten years as the green one they had for forty. I like to get deals on everything and only keep things of real value so that if I want to sell it tomorrow, I dont lose a ton of money on it.

                              The problem as I see it today is that most of domestic merchandising here in the states chooses not to carry quality anymore, but rather goes strictly for price. If something is big enough to be popular or mass marketed, then it will be made wherever its cheapest, which currently is asia, but not because their factories are technologically superior.
                              "I am, and ever will be, a white-socks, pocket-protector, nerdy engineer -- born under the second law of thermodynamics, steeped in the steam tables, in love with free-body diagrams, transformed by Laplace, and propelled by compressible flow."

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