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    Said to be 3.5 more efficient than conventional engines.
    Developed by researchers at the University of Michigan, this small engine could be up to 3.5 times more efficient than the piston-driven engines found in most cars. How? Well the engine does away with those heavy pistons and replaces them with a single disk with small channels carved out to carry air and fuel…any fuel, from hydrogen to gas to biodiesel. The inside and outside edges of the disk alternately open and close to combine the air and fuel, and shockwaves produced from the rotation of the disk compress and ingite the combination. By hooking the engine up to a generator, you can produce electricity to feed the motor, while getting almost four times better gas mileage and producing 95% less carbon dioxides.
    Judging by this pic:

    It looks like it wouldn't be too difficult make one using a fairly basic CNC mill.

  • #2
    Looks to be a Tubine engine ?

    feeds from the center to the OD ?

    I don't trust any numbers without seeing how they are derived.
    Green Bay, WI


    • #3
      My thoughts too. Looks like a big turbo or turbine.


      • #4
        Impossible efficiency ratings...

        the piston engine is actually a great design and pistons do not "waste" energies like many believe they do --- they take energies to get moving from TDC to 90 degree's (max piston velocity) then at 90.0000001 degrees the piston starts its cycle of giving its energies back to the crank, same goes for BDC back to TDC, the only real loss in energies is bearing and oil friction and needed ring drag.

        There's a reason why they've endured for such a long time, they are a perfect positive sealing devise, properly designed PE's can achieve well over 20,000 rpm's and that's far greater than most guys high performance milling machines.

        The almighty piston engine also gets to take superb advantage of the burn rate of diesel and gasoline fuels just by the nature of the increasing piston speed to 90 degree's ---- by adjusting the bore and stroke and comp. ratio and now with variable valve timing and direct injection gas the maximum bang for the buck can be milked out of every power stroke,
        It's all really about emissions anymore, if we did not have to worry about that then we would all be getting @ least 50% more efficiency than we are right now.
        Last edited by A.K. Boomer; 03-29-2011, 09:47 PM.


        • #5
          Originally posted by A.K. Boomer
          Impossible efficiency ratings...
          Bear in mind that its not a tech journal that the article's printed in, so accuracy on "detail matters" is unlikely to be high on their list.


          • #6
            3.5 x more efficient than an engine which can be 40% efficient...........

            An engine only 3.5x more efficient, but it produces 95% less "carbon dioxides".....

            D'yeh suppose maybe they meant "nitrous oxides" back before the scientific illiterates got hold of the subject?

            One thing is fairly certain.... the article has proven to be a worthless source of information.

            Keep eye on ball.
            Hashim Khan


            • #7
              I say bogus - it won't even run. The article is pretty sketchy but from the diagram they have of the operation I don't think it has enough anything to create continuous rotation, let alone that kind of efficiency. 1. There's nothing there that I think will initiate a shock wave for compression. 2. If the fuel mixture ignites there's no expansion to drive rotation. 3. There's really nothing to keep some of the air/fuel mixture from leaving the exhaust ports compromising the efficiency they claim.

              It looks like their force for rotation idea is that the curved flutes in the disk mean that the expanding gas will press harder on the concave than the convex side flouting all laws of physics.

              There ought to be a Snopes site for engines and mechanisms.
              "People will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time they will pick themselves up and carry on" : Winston Churchill


              • #8
                Well they've managed to garner a 2.5 million dollar federal stimulus grant, not sure at this point if that means it has potential or if this speaks about their ability to fill out grant forms. LOL

                Note that the claims are that it could be 3.5 times more efficient, not that it is.

                However a bit more info, a video, and some good points brought up on this page.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Willy

                  Note that the claims are that it could be 3.5 times more efficient, not that it is.

                  It doesn't matter if they say it "could" or that it "is" either statement is impossible.


                  • #10
                    Seven warning signs of bogus science.......

                    originally developed as a guide to judges, IIRC.


                    Keep eye on ball.
                    Hashim Khan


                    • #11
                      Re: big grant money: Don't forget that big money from our taxes has been handed out for such research as "How long does it take to make breakfast",and "What time the frogs start croaking".

                      These are actual researches that were well funded. Don't forget what? $250,000 dollars for a TEAPOT museum(in N. Carolina,IIRC.

                      All you have to know is how to BS the idiots who might not have even read your grant request.


                      • #12
                        I came to the conclusion long ago that grants with regard to science are for those who couldnt last in a proper research lab. Gotta love the dreaming dummies of the word...

                        +1 for big claims with no backing
                        "I am, and ever will be, a white-socks, pocket-protector, nerdy engineer -- born under the second law of thermodynamics, steeped in the steam tables, in love with free-body diagrams, transformed by Laplace, and propelled by compressible flow."


                        • #13
                          Just exactly does "3.5 times more efficient" mean. If a conventional piston engine is 40% efficient, does that mean 40 X 3.5 or 150% efficiency? That is means you are getting more energy out of it than the fuel has to begin with.

                          So what does it mean? ?????

                          Essentially, it is a meaningless claim. You would be very hard put to raise the efficiency to 50% which would only be a 25% increase (or 1.25 times). I suspect the author has no knowledge of mathematics or how to use it.
                          Paul A.
                          SE Texas

                          Make it fit.
                          You can't win and there IS a penalty for trying!


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Willy
                            Well they've managed to garner a 2.5 million dollar federal stimulus grant..........
                            Looks like the engine was damn efficient at getting grant money! Probably what it was truly intended to do from the start.
                            Location: Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada


                            • #15
                              I'll bet the major outcome of the research will be that more research needs to be done.
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