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  • Evan
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    No, it won't work and it is also highly volatile as well as toxic. At least it isn't flammable...

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  • topct
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    Originally posted by Evan
    Wrong stuff. That is Carbon tetrachloride.
    So it won't work? Darn

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  • Evan
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    Wrong stuff. That is Carbon tetrachloride.

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  • topct
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    Originally posted by John Stevenson
    I still use it mixed 75% trike and 25% ATF to stop it evaporating, as a tapping fluid.

    Can't get any better stuff.

    Just common sense, use sparingly as it's hard to get and don't drink the stuff.
    That's what I was waiting for, a recipe. I have 3 quarts of the stuff I drained out of 6 of those deadly "fire bombs".

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  • John Stevenson
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    I still use it mixed 75% trike and 25% ATF to stop it evaporating, as a tapping fluid.

    Can't get any better stuff.

    Just common sense, use sparingly as it's hard to get and don't drink the stuff.

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  • Rich Carlstedt
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    The original "Tap Magic" had it as a component, and you could not use it on Aluminum.
    I did that one time, back in the 60's, and the hole turned black, and then the threads disappeared. Had to tap larger to recover the part.
    Anyone remeber if the Tri-Clor was the reason, they came out with a Aluminum Version
    Rich

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  • gmatov
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    Like some of you, I had a 5 gallon bucket half full of tricloroETHANE on the back of my maintenance buggy. Cleaned parts in it, cleaned my hands of grease and oil filled with them damned needles from milling machines.

    Cleaned all my tools with it, sprayed them down with WD-40 or somesuch to keep them from rusting.

    We had a vapor degreaser, too, heated coils in the liquid, refrigerated coils at the top to condense the fumes and allow the now liquid to wash off the oils on the parts.

    Part of the warnings on the MSDS was that it would eat the fat from under the skin, if you got it on you. I cannot, for the life of me, understand how it penetrated the skin and ate fat out from under it.. I am still going strong some 30 years after it was outlawed. Hasn't YET, destroyed my liver.

    If you DID wash your hands in it, if you let it air dry, evaporate, it would turn your skin white. If you wiped your hands dry with a shop rag, the skin would look normal.

    We used to fill Goldenrod oil cans with it and kill roaches in the plant with it. Plant was infested. Hit one with a squirt of trichlor, and it was tits up instantly.

    30 or more years ago, in my basement, with wood windows, I swear I heard termites eating the wood of the Anderson basement window in my laundry. I don't know if that is possible. I have never pulled that window out to check if it has been eaten away, BUT, I drilled a hole in the bottom of the window frame and poured some trichlor into the hole, and the noise stopped. I am assuming, I know you should never do that, that the chlorine in it killed off the termites, or whatever they were, and they have not come back. Kinda like the old termite treatment, I forget the name, now outlawed, rotenone?Oh, yeah, Clordane!

    Wish I had that 5 gallons, too.

    Cheers,

    George

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  • Circlip
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    Was told fifty years ago that smoking over the top of the Trike degreasing tank generated Phosgene in yer body so not to be advised. Trichlorethylene wa ssaid to be the killer so Trichlethane was a replacement.

    The degreasers we used were heated tanks with a water cooling coil around the top rim. VERY effective at drying yer hands if they got in the "Mist".

    Is "Perklone" now banned??

    By 'Ell, some of us are still alive despite the bastards trying to do for us.

    Regards Ian.

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  • radkins
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    We had a mechanic pass out from breathing electrical cleaner back in the late nineties after he used the stuff in a cramped area he had crawled back into, a wheel motor housing on a large diesel/electric mining truck. On the can label was a warning that it contained 1,1,1 Trichloroethane but few people bother to read warnings on labels and even of those that do most won't heed them. This guy was sick for days after the incident and if he had not of had his helper with him he probably would have died in there so the stuff is hazardous and while we can't ban stupidity some things do need to be banned so the stupid can't get them!

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  • Thruthefence
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    My older brother was in the Navy back in the 60's, & trichlor was used as a common cleaner & solvent, and in vapor degreasing vats. One day the hazmat team comes into their shop un announced, moon suits & all, and take all the trichlor out the place. According to my brother, they used to wash their hands in this stuff.

    Flash forward to the early 90's, and he's on the liver transplant list. Never drank, never smoked. Apparently this stuff eats your liver.

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  • Duffy
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    It is also worth noting that chlorinated, (actually, halogenated, since bromine and iodine are included,) hydrocarbons are considered to be serious ozone layer depleters. All are bad, but the winners are Halon, a super good fire extinguisher, and methyl bromide, another fire extinguisher used in aircraft systems and all-time winning bug killer.
    So, while these chemicals REALLY were not good for you, they were not particularly good for the world in general.

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  • Sophiedoc
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    Of interest if the use of trichlorethylene by German submariners in WW2 to clean barnacles off the hull.Some would pass out from the fumes leading to its use as an inhalation anesthetic(Often self administered by women delivering babies etc by a Duke inhaler which was strapped to their wrist and when they passed out their arm would drop along with the inhaler)

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  • Evan
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    The same will happen with ether. Quite a few years ago a famous college athlete died from sniffing ether and drinking at a party. The result was immediate and complete liver failure. He was dead in a few days.

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  • radkins
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    Originally posted by Video Man
    @Lew, I think the stuff that was used for fire extinguishers was carbon tetrachloride...which would produce phosgene gas (used as poison gas in WWI) when heated. Was a formidible de-greaser, but it was outlawed for consumer use because it was seriously dangerous. Hmm, when I was in high school you could buy it at the drug store. We had to buy it to kill bugs for a biology project, I don't remember anybody keeling over then. But it was bad stuff....

    I think the main reason Carbon Tet was banned was because of it's interaction with Alcohol in the body, a person could breath reasonable amounts with no ill effects UNTIL they decided to have a drink within a short time of using it, even a beer or two was dangerous. If someone used the Carbon Tet and then consumed even small amounts of Alcohol they could suffer severe kidney and liver damage or even complete kidney failure, this happened quite a bit back some years ago until the connection become widely known and Carbon Tet was banned for consumer use.

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  • exkenna
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    It's interesting how the stuff works. I was at Castrol's metalworking fluids seminar years ago and they explained that the chlorine and sulfur based metalworking products contaminate the cutting edge and lower the affinity of the workpiece material to the cutting tool. I'm no chemist but they showed us high speed video of treated and untreated tools in the cut. You could plainly see the material grabbing and piling up at the edge of the untreated tool.

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