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    So.. on DIVX, watching the CBS evening news for 14th.. Hackers stole the plans-blueprints on the new joint strike fighter, the UAV, UMV drones.. battlefield robots in production..

    This scares more a lot more than the 9/11 trade center attacks.. It should anyone who is sane and conscious of the possibilities. Most our new battlefield cannons are targeted by remote. Seeing just them turn on us in the battlefield??

    OUR Schools? "No child left behind" instead of "promoting" nerds with special learning needs to succeed?

    Lemme see.. since we OWE china so much money, if it is them? they own the rights to do so??? That appears like borrowing money from the Mafia.. Not going to end well.
    Excuse me, I farted.

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    No worries, its always the things you dont see on the news that is the news.

    Just an FYI, our troops have been attacked by UAVs very similar to our own for several years now. Unfortunately its a fact of life that countries like Iran and Syria support terrorists and are more than willing to give them whatever weapons they can. Regarding prints for jets and other weapons, no worries. In this modern day and age, the technology gets all of the attention in the media, but yet in real combat its still the old fashioned ways of operating that get relied on and used.

    Regarding schools today...what do you expect? We have made it virtually impossible for anyone with any real world experience to have a second career in teaching by requiring advanced degrees and other "teaching" requirements. My father taught middle and high school for 26 years after 15 as a metallurgist, starting teaching in 1972. He doesnt have a MS, he has an AS in diesel tech and a BS in metallurgy from a NY state school. His generation were teachers that could teach anything from welding, machining, auto shop, wood shop, and even did foundry work and ceramics. The current "teachers" that replaced him and his coworkers all have MS degrees in education, and not a single one has anything more than a AS in anything related to the trades. What was once a huge shop program teaching dam near every aspect of the trades is now a basic woodworking program, not due to budget cuts (rich district), but due to silly requirements. Its really comforting to know that my kids will attend school in the future taught by a generation of "teachers" who can read out of a book and know all about child psychology and grammar, but not how to build anything with their hands. The truly sad part is that 13 years later, the current teachers are starting at a higher rate than his generation ever made. I laugh when I hear teachers complaining about being underpaid.

    Sorry, but in the interests of keeping threads open, I wont discuss the country's budget situation. That would get into politics and lead to impolite conversation on my part.

    Smile, its a beautiful day out!
    Last edited by justanengineer; 07-15-2011, 08:35 AM.
    "I am, and ever will be, a white-socks, pocket-protector, nerdy engineer -- born under the second law of thermodynamics, steeped in the steam tables, in love with free-body diagrams, transformed by Laplace, and propelled by compressible flow."

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    • #3
      Read my post (#50) in this thread:

      http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/showthread.php?t=48880

      It applies to, and supports, what justanengineer wrote.
      Weston Bye - Author, The Mechatronist column, Digital Machinist magazine
      ~Practitioner of the Electromechanical Arts~

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      • #4
        Looking around.. who's got my tin foil hat?

        Talking to a buddy at a local power plant.. well.. he says thousands of cyber attacks daily..
        A lot of the last work I did for a local power company was "remote operation" of power plants and
        switchyards.

        My camera system here.. when I plug in the blue network cable gets hit hundreds of times a
        minute.. I always suspected it was perverts wanting a look but now I suspect the tax id and
        a internet connection are connected.. Probably attacks on all businesses.

        Okay.. are the computer virus in the picture frames from china, the connectivity items all related
        to a evil plan by "others"?? do I need my tin foil hat to protect me from them?

        I cling to my guns and Bible as Obama suggested..
        Excuse me, I farted.

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        • #5
          The "Thousands of attacks daily"is a very misleading statistic. All that means is what are called "Port scans"to see if any doors have been left wide open. They aren't even illegal under US law. It isn't like rattling the door handle to see if it is locked, it's like checking from the street to see if the door is open.

          Real attacks are an entirely different game and port scanning isn't it. An attack can happen in many different ways but external attempts to actually break in always include some sort of attempt to exploit weaknesses in the part of a system that faces the internet. Real attacks are far less common. I analyze the data on my router from time to time and they only happen a few times per day at most. It makes no difference that I am not a potential lucrative target, hackers aren't that selective. They scan wide ranges of IP addresses looking for vulnerable computers because they can use "bots" to finance their activites.

          Bots are pwned computers (owned) and they compile lists of such computers they have compromised and sell them on the underground market to cyber gangs that use them to extort money from commercial operators such as online gambling operations. They use massive bot networks to launch denial of service attacks. They aren't intrusions since the objective is to prevent people from being able to use the target website and all that requires is to make that site overloaded by thousands of pwned computers all trying to get to it at the same time. Then they contact the web site operators and offer to stop if they are paid. It's a variation of the age old protection rackets.

          The real hackers don't get discovered very often. They don't brag or hang out at semi concealed hacker chat boards and they don't have friends. They work alone, they steal money or information and they sell it to people they never meet for money that consists of already broken account access somewhere. Traps are abundant in every direction. Hackers hack hackers, governments hack governments, everyone hacks everyone. The US is just as active at hacking others as others are hacking the US. The activity never stops and comprises a medium level of "background noise" on the net all the time. It's like the sound of surf rolling in on the beach. It never stops, it only varies in intensity from time to time.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Dawai
            Hackers stole the plans-blueprints on the new joint strike fighter, . . .Seeing just them turn on us in the battlefield??
            Not good, but one way or another everybody on the other side has all the plans to everything we make. Space shuttle, nuclear stuff, fighter jets, you name it. We even give them away to 'allies' whose loyalties change every other day. Like Turkey. Some of it is done on purpose. It's all an excuse to spend more money developing new systems since the old ones are now compromised. What is far more disturbing is that most everything runs on software and there are a whole lot of these systems using Microsoft Windows. You want to talk about scary, that's scary.

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            • #7
              Microsoft sucks.

              I hate MS windows.. but.. the new linux is as bad. So.. do you hate it all when it connects you to the outside world? OR provides a useful function?

              My home made cnc machine has had more problems with Windows than equipment failures. OLD DOS "turbo pascal" turbocnc programs just keep on running, without modern cameras, or pretty graphics.. Soon tho I will be out of compatible boxes to run it on.

              Evan, rattling the door? Since my dsl modem was made overseas.. and a program does not check for intrusion until identified by software?? HOW do you know no back doors left available? do you trust the Ubuntu Linux?? the camera I just connected? Memory stick in the camera?

              Makes you want to clean the guns and put on a tin foil hat.. This whole world has fell out of reach or control by the "normal person".. from the cars which we have to return to the dealer to connect a "special" ecu programmer to diagnose to the boxes which we read about our direct deposit checks into OUR bank. Makes you want to keep a old simpler car in the bushes for emergency.. but.. My county outlawed all extra vehicles..
              Excuse me, I farted.

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              • #8
                I highly doubt that any top secret plans reside on computers that have internet access. But if you want to spread dis-information, why not have it stolen. Remember the case of the faulty capacitors the Chinese stole the formula for.

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                • #9
                  I highly doubt that any top secret plans reside on computers that have internet access.
                  They don't. The real problem is that the US goverment has revealed that somebody had full access to the classified network for up to several months. It isn't connected to the internet at all. They aren't saying how it happened.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Dawai
                    I hate MS windows.. but.. the new linux is as bad. So.. do you hate it all when it connects you to the outside world? OR provides a useful function?

                    My home made cnc machine has had more problems with Windows than equipment failures. OLD DOS "turbo pascal" turbocnc programs just keep on running, without modern cameras, or pretty graphics.. Soon tho I will be out of compatible boxes to run it on.

                    Evan, rattling the door? Since my dsl modem was made overseas.. and a program does not check for intrusion until identified by software?? HOW do you know no back doors left available? do you trust the Ubuntu Linux?? the camera I just connected? Memory stick in the camera?

                    Makes you want to clean the guns and put on a tin foil hat.. This whole world has fell out of reach or control by the "normal person".. from the cars which we have to return to the dealer to connect a "special" ecu programmer to diagnose to the boxes which we read about our direct deposit checks into OUR bank. Makes you want to keep a old simpler car in the bushes for emergency.. but.. My county outlawed all extra vehicles..
                    Me thinks you are a little paranoid.

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                    • #11
                      Remember the case of the faulty capacitors the Chinese stole the formula for.
                      ??? That actually happened.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by RandyZ
                        I highly doubt that any top secret plans reside on computers that have internet access.
                        Very true, but it makes great headlines. Computers with classified materials are not connected to the Internet. Even the low-level (confidential) material the US soldier in the Wikileaks debacle stole was copied in a SCIF (secure computer vault) to a CD, and then smuggled out.

                        But part of Dave's story is true: when Google was having a huge pissing contest with the Chinese government over the search filtering agreement, Google turned off the filtering for awhile in January, 2010. China retaliated with a wave of hacker attacks. My Gmail account was hacked, and so was Forrest's (among millions of others).
                        Last edited by lazlo; 07-15-2011, 11:05 AM.
                        "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did."

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Evan
                          ??? That actually happened.
                          He was implying that it was misinformation intentionally disseminated to the Chinese.

                          Unfortunately, that was a case of sheer greed, incompetence and stupidity: the Chinese stole part of the electrolyte formula from the Taiwanese worker who stole the complete formula from the Japanese.
                          "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did."

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                          • #14
                            Teaching

                            Originally posted by justanengineer
                            Regarding schools today...what do you expect? We have made it virtually impossible for anyone with any real world experience to have a second career in teaching by requiring advanced degrees and other "teaching" requirements.
                            Having spent almost 40 years working as a Mechanical Engineer with an MS degree, I have used all types of mathematics upto and including calculus throughout my career. The local community college has an ad in the local paper for a Mathematics Instructor. I applied for the job but was told that I didn't qualify because I didn't have any education credits in my background. Never mind that I had organized and taught course during my working career, I didn't have a piece of paper saying that I sat through some boring courses. The person hired was newly graduated and had not worked one day in the real world. I guess the adage is true - Those who understand the subject get jobs and those who don't, be come teachers!
                            Bill

                            Being ROAD KILL on the Information Super Highway and Electronically Challenged really SUCKS!!

                            Every problem can be solved through the proper application of explosives, duct tape, teflon, WD-40, or any combo of the aforementioned items.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by macona
                              Me thinks you are a little paranoid.
                              Hehe, but with Dave, it's charming...

                              I bet he'd be a blast over beer in a biker bar
                              "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did."

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