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    I'm now the new world class expert on lathe spindle noses.

    What makes me an expert is I spent the money and got USAS B5.9 (1967 r2004). It was a simple matter of a download from the website. I have all the information on the A1 and A2 (there is a difference) D1, L series etc and all the details and little standardized parts, cams, cam lock studs, detents, ring nuts, keys, locating disks, and all the other details.

    For instance there is a 2" size A1 spindle nose and there is a 28" size A1 spindle nose with 3 4 5 6 8 11 15 20in between. See, I got it in a PDF file from the standards outfit and now I got it on paper. Everything - and it's from a standard which is de facto law in the technical world. That's what makes me an expert. For a zillion years whenever I had to rassle with a spindle or fit an item of spindle tooling I've been frustrated, handicapped, stabbing in the dark, sweating whether a detail I'm working with will turn the machine into a white elephant because I changed something that was standardized or something non-standard. Now I have it on paper. If I'm in doubt I can get out the standard to verify the rightness of my actions.

    The whole idea of standards is so the many things we make and use interchange to the maximum extent possible. A chuck made in Poland or Connecticut will fit a spindle made in Cincinnatti, Edo, Shanghai or - Mars. Same with bearings, bolts, materials, etc.

    So thanks to a $35 charge on my card I'm as expert on spindle noses and abutting features as 44 pages of ASA B5.89 drawings and text can make me.

    From this new experience I'm inspired to encourage all of you to maintain a library of technical information starting with "How to Run a Lathe" "A Treatice on the Milling Machine" and similar how to's. And how could a home shop ever get along without "Machinery's Handbook" or some other compendium of standards and narrative related to the machinist trade. Also handbooks and trade school texts for welder, millwright, engineer, etc wherever your curiosity takes you. If you are not adding a foot or so the the length of books and looseleafs, catalogs etc on your shop bookshelf every year you're not really trying. Well, maybe that's an over-statement but to adapt a saying: if you think information is wasteful and expensive try ignorance.
    Last edited by Forrest Addy; 07-30-2011, 02:41 AM.

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    Amen.

    I have a 3 1/2' X 7' bookshelf in my shop that is almost full. Everything from SB's How to Run a Lathe, to Machinery's to the American Machinist Handbook to a treatise on planners to Audel's machining and millwright books to die design to a four volume set on "Unusual Mechanical Devices" and so on. There's absolutely no way I can attempt to know or remember everything about metal working and mechanics.

    There is a lot of info available on the Net, but there is still value in having printed material.

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    • #3
      It's not what you know - but can you access and assimilate the information.

      at least thats what they tell me

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      • #4
        Does it list my SB 2 3/8" X 6 Tpi?
        mark costello-Low speed steel

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        • #5
          A smart man does not know all the answers.
          He just knows where to get them.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Forrest Addy
            standards is so the many things we make and use interchange to the maximum extent possible. A chuck made in Poland or Connecticut will fit a spindle made in Cincinnatti, Edo, Shanghai or - Mars.

            So thanks to a $35 charge on my card I'm as expert on spindlles noses and abutting features as 44 pages of ASA B5.89 drawings and text can make me.

            Sounds like You were ripped off!
            You made no mention of what types of billet the parts can be made of

            Steve

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            • #7
              Originally posted by 1-800miner
              A smart man does not know all the answers.
              He just knows where to get them.
              And what to do with them, when he finds them!!

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              • #8
                I have no doubt that Forrest now has copious information on spindle noses, and that can indeed be hard to obtain information. While I am familiar with the 2 3/8 x 6 TPI spindle nose on certain early South Bends, as mentioned by Mcostello, my circa 1916 Canedy-Otto 16 inch lathe has a 2 3/8 x 8 TPI spindle nose. I've found few accessories available , save for one face plate , and a fellow in Alaska who has the same lathe. Oddly, most of the major components on the Canedy-Otto appear to have been made by South Bend, but Canedy-Otto chose to use their own spindle nose thread.

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                • #9
                  Mmm, Spindle grade billet. :P
                  Play Brutal Nature, Black Moons free to play highly realistic voxel sandbox game.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Mcostello
                    Does it list my SB 2 3/8" X 6 Tpi?
                    I'm also quizzing about the SB 2 3/8" x 6 Tpi on my 14 1/2.

                    You did say you're the expert now.
                    Cheers,
                    Gary

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                    • #11
                      I looked. No info in this standard for threaded spindles. Sorry.
                      Last edited by Forrest Addy; 07-30-2011, 02:41 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Expert [n., v. ek-spurt; adj. ek-spurt, ik-spurt]
                        My boss said that an expert is: The X is the unknown and the pert pronounced spurt is a drip under pressure. That is what I tell my customers when they ask me too many questions, and I don't know the problem much less the answer.....

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                        • #13
                          A bit OT, generally why a cost?

                          As a "noob", I have gone looking for a given standard from time to time, and sorry, but for the life of me I can not understand "why" there is such a cost (I have seen between $35 and $55 charges)?

                          Are not most proposed and then written by a group and then is it not in the best interest of the group and other "outsiders" to promote said standards?

                          I mean I can understand a charge that a library would have to have someone search and make a paper copy but now-a-days? Isn't it all just archived somewhere electronically?

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                          • #14
                            About half the "why's" that empty your wallet can be answered by "because they can."

                            A common trait among the heirs of inventors and authors who left legacies of intellectual property is extracting revenue without making a single contibution of their own. Same goes with standards and the organizations that administer them.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Forrest Addy
                              So thanks to a $35 charge on my card I'm as expert on spindlles noses and abutting features as 44 pages of ASA B5.89 drawings and text can make me.
                              For $35 would you not expect them to have redrawn the diagrams at least once since 1967? I bought the same standard in paper form; it is on letter size paper and the drawings are nearly illegible. I'm slowly redrawing D1-3 in CAD. The other thing that annoys me is that ASME now sends me junk mail once a fortnight, which I did not ask for.

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