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  • south bend ..what model is this

    seems to be missing its tailstock and cover off the gears .

    and seems to have odd looking gears

    from the pics ..can anyone id it

    please dont track it down this may be a bargain

    all the best.markj
    Last edited by aboard_epsilon; 08-07-2011, 06:17 PM.

  • #2
    Looks like my 9" model A. You should be able to find replacements for the missing guard & tail stock on FleaBay.

    You may want to post the pic on the SB user's group

    You can also get a good idea of the age of the machine with this little "trick"
    Last edited by Dr Stan; 08-07-2011, 06:45 PM.


    • #3
      There a whole lot going on with it

      the belt drive from the motor inst right

      the gears .shafts sticking out ..some look too big

      funny gearbox with one lever

      winding handle attached to spindle permanently ..think of that thing wizzing around

      ive looked at lathes .co .uk ..

      not much help

      still waiting on an answer from the guy on the missing parts

      yes tailstocks are plentiful on USA eBay ..but not in UK

      dont fancy the shipping charges from USA .

      all the best.markj
      Last edited by aboard_epsilon; 08-07-2011, 07:00 PM.


      • #4
        By no means an "expert" but looks like parts from various models made to work...have never seen a gear that wide, the single tumbler gear box looks more like from a fairly early 13" or larger model, the spindle pulley looks to be "V" belt groove (which existed of course but later than some of the other parts, I think...) I said, no expert here but it just looks a bit cobbled, which is not to say it doesn't work or makes it of "lesser" value...the mix and match nature could be explained by parts available outside of US

        the box looks more like the one here, about half way down:


        • #5
          That's certainly not a model A and it doesn't look like a South Bend either. It does look like it is cobbled up from various parts.
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          • #6
            frankenlathe by the looks of things.

            all the best.markj


            • #7
              I can say with a good bit of certainty that the gear train and gear box are an older SB single tumbler, and using the guys hand in guestimating, its from a 10L. For the last couple months I have been up close and personal with my 10L and its gears -- Mine is a 1944 vintage.

              But, as others have said on the rest of it ... ???

              If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something........


              • #8
                The end of the leadscrew is sticking out beyond the end of its right-hand support bearing below the tailstock. That is certainly not original. The leadscrew probably came along with the QC gearbox.
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                • #9
                  The QC gearbox is the old 1930's/40's type with the handle on top.

                  The wide gear accommodates the old S.B. "in" and "out" positions. That's about all I can say about it,not being a S.B. historian. The QC gearbox does look pretty big for that lathe.
                  Last edited by gwilson; 08-07-2011, 08:49 PM.


                  • #10
                    well, I'm not going for it ..
                    but i don't want to ruin it for anyone else

                    will post a link to it, when its sold .

                    all the best.markj


                    • #11

                      I didnt bid on it

                      all the best.mark


                      • #12
                        I think it may be what is commonly called a "Heavy 9". It was a 9" lathe that came out before the 10L or Heavy 10. The (Heavy 9) had a 2TPI setting on the quick change gear box. Anyone that buy it would be well advised not to use any setting less than 4TPI. Using a lower TPI setting will likely break gears. That is why South Bend didn't have lower TPI settings than 4TPI on later lathes. Gary P. Hansen
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                        • #13
                          There is something very strange about the bedways. It appears to have been fitted with extra pieces to accommodate a different carriage than intended. The cross slide is too square at the front as the South Bends have rounded corners. The cross almost appears to be made up from pieces.

                          I don't think that headstock belongs on that bed either.
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                          • #14
                            Hand cranked, a bonus.


                            • #15
                              possibly the only thing south-bend about it is the ancient gearbox with the south bend works plack on it .

                              all the best.markj