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  • Replacable head end mills??????

    I recently got some tooling at my local scrap yard, where i get all of my tooling, at scrap weight, most of ti unused.
    I found these replacable head end mill heads.
    There are many more of these and they look handy.







    Only issue, I do not know who makes them. I did a google search of all the possible ways i could think of, and nothing. The MP3000 is the grade of Carbide as far as I can gather. The R04 is on two different sizes.

    Sandvik and Seco makes the same thing but not this one. I would like to buy a shank for the one i have.
    here is a link to the sandvik ones.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1rQSrQ1LtE


    Any help would be greatly appreciated.

  • #2
    Hmmm, Id wonder what they are made of. the black ones kinda look like cheap carbon steel tooling to me. The threads( insert?) sure look nice.

    Would make sense to only have carbide coated threaded insert mills, even a HSS shank is pertty rigid (though they could have a single carbide shank that would still save money)

    Carbide indexable inserts taken to a whole new level.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Black_Moons
      Hmmm, Id wonder what they are made of. the black ones kinda look like cheap carbon steel tooling to me. The threads( insert?) sure look nice.

      Would make sense to only have carbide coated threaded insert mills, even a HSS shank is pertty rigid (though they could have a single carbide shank that would still save money)

      Carbide indexable inserts taken to a whole new level.
      The inserts are all solid carbide, the dark ones are TiALN coated and the gold ones are TiN coated.

      I also grabbed a few 3/8 ball nose heads

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      • #4
        TiALN? I wish they would stop inventing new coatings for me to learn about, I just got used to TiN.

        Although it does make tooling more colourful
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        • #5
          Kinda looks like mag drill tooling. But not quite.

          http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j0...ts-TCT-08-.jpg

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Black_Moons
            TiALN? I wish they would stop inventing new coatings for me to learn about, I just got used to TiN.

            Although it does make tooling more colourful
            Here ya go....read and learn LOL

            http://www.tincoat.net/coatings/tialn.html
            Ernie (VE7ERN)

            May the wind be always at your back

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            • #7
              End Mill

              Wow - Those are great! I would sure like to get some for scrap price! I think the shank or arbor for those mates to the top of the cutter with a long bolt going through like a drawbar to cinch them up. Or not.
              Last edited by Toolguy; 08-17-2011, 11:17 PM.

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              • #8
                Ha! My google-fu better than yours!

                http://www.secotools.com/CorpWeb/nor...MP%20lores.pdf

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                • #9
                  Those are probably VERY expensive. If I had a chance,I'd run back and get all of them,and at least make a threaded shank for them from hardened and tempered tool steel.

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                  • #10
                    I have to agree that it would be worth buying all of them that you can, deals like that are almost unheard of, unless you are Mcgyver that is. If there was more there than you can use, you should have no trouble selling them for a decent profit.

                    Things look even better, now you know where to go for the correct shanks.

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                    • #11
                      I agree too. I would buy some from you too if you felt up to it.

                      I would just buy the holder myself. I like having good runout.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by cucvzuz
                        The inserts are all solid carbide, the dark ones are TiALN coated and the gold ones are TiN coated.

                        I also grabbed a few 3/8 ball nose heads
                        .

                        Doesn't look like TiAlN to me, Its not black. The ones I have used were blackish brown, transparent.

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                        • #13
                          Definitely look like Rotabroach (mag drill) cutters to me. With a suitable mounting I don't see why they couldn't be used on a mill though. Good for plunge cutting a hole right through the workpiece, in fact thats what they were made for.

                          Richard

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                          • #14
                            Macona Nailed it. I thought these looked like Iscar / Seco Minimaster heads but they're actually the latest generation of them!

                            Buy all they have!

                            What I want to know is where the hell this scrapyard you frequent is located?!!!

                            Damn!

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                            • #15
                              Those are definitely the Seco tools. The uncoated carbide and TiAlN-coated carbide heads generally cost about the same as a premium coated solid carbide end mill. The savings is (for a commercial shop anyhow), in being able to swap the heads and maintain the length within a "couple tenths". This is ideal for CNC machines that don't have multiple holders and a standalone preset station.

                              Depending upon diameter, those cutter heads cost between $50 and $150 each. A mating steel shank would run from about $90 to $150, but those last quite a long time. You also need the proper wrenches, or you risk damaging the heads.

                              I don't know where you found someone throwing out thousands of dollars worth of current, modern, high-productivity tooling, but I'll buy it off of you is you don't wish to invest in the other parts of the system.

                              BTW, just because it's black doesn't mean its TiAlN, it could be AlTiN or something else. The "gold" coating is rarely TiN these days, it's more-often TiCN. Color itself means next to nothing.

                              I just read up on the Seco documents and was surprised to see them state repeatability of length at +/- .001" and radial runout of up to .0006". The Sandvik Coromill 316 and Walter ConeFit are up to ten times better, and use both a taper and face to seat the heads. Much more rigid and repeatable, something commercial shops need more than my dad's 1961 Bridgeport does.
                              Last edited by PixMan; 08-19-2011, 09:19 AM.

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