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  • #16
    Originally posted by 383 240z
    I'm not knocking the parts or the place they are made. I was drunk posting from the bar last night. Sorry guys. Keith

    HA! I guess we now know why you "thought that was worth posting"!
    (just ribbing, could not resist...)


    And to help with relevance, I'll second the endorsement of tools4cheap. I've bought several items from Jeff. As he is not so far from here I've been to his place a few times to avoid shipping costs. A true one-man show operating out of his barn. I have always liked the picture on his website of him measuring his dog with the giant micrometer.

    The toolpost in the OP's link sure looks to be piston style. I have one of each, wedge and piston, both of Asian origin. I can't say I've seen any huge functional advantage to the wedge style, really. It could simply be that I'm a hack, however.

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    • #17
      I've also bought from Jeff Beck of Tools4Cheap and been very happy. In fact, I had asked him to go out on a limb for me and order something from his Chinese supplier that he didn't care to stock.

      That was the No.1 style tool holder blocks for my Dorian SD40CA QCTP. The No.2 style with the vee-groove is the one he stocks, and far more popular. I wanted the incrementally stronger No.1 style because the flat bottom allows easier positioning and clamping of smaller HSS tool bits. (They don't fall into the vee groove.)

      He warned me that it would take at least 3 months to get them, but they did eventually come. And I am VERY happy with the quality. He now stocks them, and I've bought 5 of them and one No.2 so far.

      I have to mill .150" off the bottom of them to get a 1" shank tool on-center in the lathe, and man those things are hard. I get through them fine with a 45؛ insert face mill and some nice Valenite SEEW43 AFTN grade 5020 inserts, but you can see a thick line (about .100") of hardness around the edges. That's a strong tool holder block.

      Now here's a curious thing. Last weekend was, in Massachusetts where Jeff is located, a "tax free weekend", meaning retailers here could forgo collecting our 6.25% state sales tax on most items for the weekend. I ordered 2 No.1 holders and 1 No.2 holder from Jeff's website, and included a note that it should be tax free. His site was still hitting me with it. I wasn't about to call him on the weekend over $5.06. He called me Monday morning, and we worked out that he would just throw $5 cash in the box and we'd call it even. Sure enough, the box with product showed up the next day with the $5 in it.

      Count me among the fans of Jeff and the gentlemanly way he conducts business.
      Last edited by PixMan; 08-21-2011, 07:06 PM.

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      • #18
        Regarding the conventional tool holders for the QCTP's that CDCO, Shars, and toolsforcheap (and others) sell - there are differences in the length, one short and one a bit longer, the longer being more desirable to me. I have the Phase II QCTP and the 5 holders that comes with it and they are all 'short' - and several from CDCO and they are all the 'short' versions. Anybody know if those Jeff Beck, or Shars, or ??? sells are the 'long' ones?
        If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something........

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        • #19
          Don't know but you can ask him.
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          • #20
            Once upon a time, I had found a comparison photo of the blocks that CDCO and Tools4Cheap.net sell, side-by-side. It was posted on that Australian woodworker forum with a machinist sub-forum. I posted a link to the photo once on another site, now I can't find it.

            Suffice to say that Jeff's are the longer ones, His also have a higher-quality knurled nut, better dog-point set screws and overall better fit & finish. But I think his cost $1 or $2 more than CDCO.

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            • #21
              Yeah it is Jeff Beck at tools for cheap and he's a great guy to do business with.

              Pete

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Forrest Addy
                Many, many people have made their BXA dovetail toolholders from alloy steel or 1040 and heat treated them. Some even made their holders from mild steel and a few from aluminum(!!!).

                Making a dozen new tool holders isn't hard, just tedious. The only dimension you need to sweat is the pin measurement over the dovetails.

                You can ge a length of rectangular alloy steel from an on-line supplier for abour double the going cost or you can find a local supplier. If there's a local shop specializing in press brake dies they may have an alloy steel drop that's just about right. A 50 lb length of the right stuff should cost you about $80 plus a saw cut.

                If you don't have a mill to make tools holders on - well - it's either depend on the kindness of a local guy who has one or buy the tool holders you need where you can.
                Howdy Forrest !!! You are certainly correct when you say that a BXA tool post can be made by a HSM but when you factor in material costs and time I doubt that one can beat the purchase of an entire set of tool holders PLUS the tool post for the prices found in some of these responses. A couple of posts lead to offers for an entire set for $100 or less. I know you generally get what you pay for but for normal shop use by a hobbyist I would think that these imported sets would be adequate. Just an observation ... I don't mean to nitpick.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by DATo
                  Howdy Forrest !!! You are certainly correct when you say that a BXA tool post can be made by a HSM but when you factor in material costs and time I doubt that one can beat the purchase of an entire set of tool holders PLUS the tool post for the prices found in some of these responses. A couple of posts lead to offers for an entire set for $100 or less. I know you generally get what you pay for but for normal shop use by a hobbyist I would think that these imported sets would be adequate. Just an observation ... I don't mean to nitpick.
                  Yea I got a phase II wedge toolpost for.. like $150 on enco sale or something? Really damn nice quality.
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                  • #24
                    So I just ordered a QCTP from Jeff Beck @ tools4cheap and added 4 extra tool holders. His cost lies between CDCO and Phase I with the set being very little difference from CDCO, but the holders being a bit more.

                    Re the size of his holders - Looking over his web site, he shows a ruler next to his conventional tool holder and it shows to be 3 1/2" and checking my CDCO and Phase II, I show 2 3/4" so that clinched my choice of which set to get. (of course, all the very good recommendations for Jeff Beck certainly puts the icing on the cake)
                    If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something........

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                    • #25
                      Sounds a bargain Bill, thats a CXA otherwise known as the 300 series, just what i am after.

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                      • #26
                        Well it showed up today over all I think it will serve it's purpose still hard to believe that somebody is willing to do all that work, sell it to an importer, ship it across the globe, get it to a reseller and to and end user, turn a profit along the way and it still only cost me $100. Anyway, I still need to mill the base to fit my compound. I prolly won't get a chance to do that until this weekend. Keith

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                        • #27
                          Do you have a mill or are you going to do it on the lathe?

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                          • #28
                            I'll be cutting it down on my Cincinnati Toolmaster mill. Anything special I will need to watch out for? I figure keep the post centered, and leave as much contact area as I can. Keith

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by 383 240z
                              I'll be cutting it down on my Cincinnati Toolmaster mill. Anything special I will need to watch out for? I figure keep the post centered, and leave as much contact area as I can. Keith
                              I've milled two QCTP bases from CDCOtools. They were both harder than the hinges on the gates of hades.

                              Ruined a HSS endmill on the first, and found a carbide end mill was the best for me. Didn't cut like butter, but wasn't too bad.

                              Let us know how you get on.

                              Regards
                              Mark

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                              • #30
                                I don't understand. Are you saying you have to mill the base of the tool post body itself, or are you referring to the common task of having to modify the T-nut to fit the slot in your machine's compound slide?

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