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  • Sir John having a dust up ?

    Read this thread.

    http://www.model-engineer.co.uk/foru...s.asp?th=55289

    Ignore the first post SJ hi-jacked it to good cause

    Rigger

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    Those who have the cash make the rules.
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    • #3
      If I'm reading that thread correctly, RDG is attempting to prevent people from selling legitimate Myford parts as "Myford."
      "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did."

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      • #4
        They're trying to prevent people from selling new parts as Myford-branded new parts. Looks like they cast too broad a net and are now backtracking. Gert is back in business with RDG's blessing.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by dp
          They're trying to prevent people from selling new parts as Myford-branded new parts. Looks like they cast too broad a net and are now backtracking. Gert is back in business with RDG's blessing.
          Well, the way I read that is that the RDG rep was claiming he's making an exception for John, which is bullsh!t. As long as John doesn't claim they're Myford OEM parts...
          "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did."

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          • #6
            Since he's not making OEM parts that is probably a reasonable request. Boeing does this all the time - the counterfit parts market for Boeing Jets is quite large.

            Alex from RDG clarified they are going after people making new parts and not making it clear they are not manufactured by Myford. There's nothing they can do to prevent Myford compatible parts from being made and sold.

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            • #7
              There's nothing they can do to prevent Myford compatible parts from being made and sold.
              And they cannot stop you from using the Myford name to indicate the intended use of the part.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Evan
                And they cannot stop you from using the Myford name to indicate the intended use of the part.
                Exactly. They're being bullied.
                "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did."

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                • #9
                  But they have apparently been able to cow e-bay, at least for a while.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Evan
                    And they cannot stop you from using the Myford name to indicate the intended use of the part.
                    Yep - and that is the reality I think that has caused the recent change in how they defend the brand. I think too they still have a ways to go but they're now moving in the right direction.

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                    • #11
                      RDG should have contracted to John to buy his product since they are superior to the Myford originals anyway,besides how many gears could they possibly sell in a years time considering every gear sold means a dwindling volume of future sales?It would not be smart for RGD to even consider tooling up to produce them given the likely numbers,added to this they're claim to keep domestic vendors online in the future.

                      The whole idea of RDG going after folks like John who are making aftermarket parts is silly AND PROBABLY DID THEM MORE DAMAGE than any supposed lost sales.

                      As to Ebay,I hope somebody big enough with enough muscle busts they're asses.They ignore trade laws they openly violate and enforce ones that don't exist depending on sales volume.
                      Last edited by wierdscience; 09-11-2011, 04:38 PM.
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                      • #12
                        They brought that up in the thread and JS said he wanted no part of being in production. What he makes is at his whim, time allowing, and Gert is the sole distributor.

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                        • #13
                          Interesting that the email from Ebay mentioned "MyFord" which is Ford Motor Co nomenclature for one of their communications and entertainment systems.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by dp
                            Since he's not making OEM parts that is probably a reasonable request. Boeing does this all the time - the counterfit parts market for Boeing Jets is quite large.

                            Alex from RDG clarified they are going after people making new parts and not making it clear they are not manufactured by Myford. There's nothing they can do to prevent Myford compatible parts from being made and sold.
                            Aircraft parts may only be manufactured by the certificate holder and those who have been granted Parts Manufacturing Authority (PMA). Other, illegally made parts may be prosecuted by Boeing.

                            Why do you Myford fans insist on rewarding E-bay? You can post Myford parts on PM but the RDG clones cannot.

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                            • #15
                              Well that was an interesting few days

                              Leaving me out of it for a bit the guy Jim Marshall at lathe parts was also hit and hit hard.
                              Jim makes his living out of buying Myford lathes, stripping them and selling the bits world wide.

                              Everything he sells is genuine Myford, admittedly secondhand but he makes no bones about this.
                              How or why they should target him I do not know, this means that you cannot sell a secondhand lathe or parts ? Sorry no, not enforceable.

                              Our problem came about because of Ebay's listing policy which they publish but don't stick to.

                              When we got banned they sent us a copy of the VeRO [ ban notice ] which had at the bottom a link to how you should list.

                              The three items were were banned for to start with was:-

                              160642653560 - Pair 21 tooth gears - fits all MYFORD lathes
                              360389180502 - Pr Tumbler Reverse Gears 28T & 30Tfits MYFORD Super 7
                              360390022794 - Pr Tumbler Reverse Gears 28T & 30T fits MYFORD Super 7


                              Their guideline for creating legally compliant listings states this :-

                              Use brand names appropriately
                              • If you're selling a brand name product, you can mention the brand name in your listing and include photos that you've taken of the item. However:
                                • Don't suggest that you're an official dealer/reseller if you're not
                                • Don't use the manufacturer's text, images (including photos) or logo unless you're authorised to do so by the manufacturer
                                • Example: If you're selling an Acme brand television, you can mention the Acme brand in your description. But you're not allowed to display a separate image of the Acme logo or state that you're an Acme dealer if you're not authorised by Acme to do so
                              • You can use 'compatible with', 'fits' or 'for' before a brand name in the title of your listing if the item is specifically designed to be compatible with products of that brand
                              **********

                              Can anyone see how those three listings did not comply?

                              At the end of that forum post you can see which way the attack was going before I suspect Alan got a smack round his ear from Daddy,

                              Anyway we are done but I know others who are not due to lost earnings and lost Ebay stature.
                              .

                              Sir John , Earl of Bligeport & Sudspumpwater. MBE [ Motor Bike Engineer ] Nottingham England.



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