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  • philbur
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    Doesn't it require a sale for ebay to charge a fee. Seems to me a potential buyer can easily register their dissatisfaction with both parties simply by not right clicking on the "Buy Now" button. Almost all of this none brand specific ebay stuff can be bought direct from other suppliers anyway. A buyers right index finger trumps monthly fees every time.

    Phil

    Originally posted by John Stevenson
    No matter what anyone says it is all about who's monthly fees are the biggest.

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  • Black_Moons
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    Well, On the plus side, everyone will just stop searching for myford and RDG will go bankrupt!

    I e-mailed thier AOL address asking about the e-bay keyword spamming and gave a few examples. No reply.

    On the flip side, I recommend buying all 'Myford' marked items, then complaining to ebay with 'Signifigantly not as discribed' to get your money back if they don't say 'Made by myford' anywhere on the package *grins*

    Alternatively, just give them negatives saying you bought a myford thread file and it turned out to be some cheap chinese POS that wasent even made by myford but some company called shin-zu tools! (or whoever made it)
    Last edited by Black_Moons; 09-18-2011, 12:09 AM.

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  • bob ward
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    Originally posted by John Stevenson
    No matter what anyone says it is all about who's monthly fees are the biggest.
    Ebay corrupt?! Surely not.

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  • philbur
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    If you search ebay.co.uk for Myford approximately 80% of the hits are none myford specific items and aproximately 50% of those none specific items are listed by RDG. If you search ebay.com for South Bend approximately 95% are actually South bend specific items.

    It seems that not all ebays are equal when it comes to following policy, or maybe USA sellers are all straight shooters

    Phil

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  • aboard_epsilon
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    Well then John

    if they get multiple users complaining about the same item that is keyword spamming ..will they pull it then ..

    so ..

    someone pick something out ..
    put the item number on here

    and a whole lot of us will report it

    and see what happens then.

    all the best.markj

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  • John Stevenson
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    When we were having our bit of an upset with RDG, now resolved with apologies, I contacted Ebay 32 times over their keyword spamming but none was ever pulled. No matter what anyone says it is all about who's monthly fees are the biggest.

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  • Optics Curmudgeon
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    Originally posted by philbur

    An RDG ebay listing title taken from ebay today:

    RDGTOOLS THREAD RESTORE FILE METRIC BSW UNC BSP ,MYFORD
    Putting that string of seemingly unrelated words in the listing is called "keyword spamming" and was against Ebay rules last time I checked. Not that it's prevented it at all.

    Joe

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  • philbur
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    Part of RDG's policy statement:

    1. It is our intention to ensure that the Myford name is not used to describe a product simply as "Myford" when it has been manufactured by third parties. This type of misrepresentation must cease immediately

    Note the last sentence.

    An RDG ebay listing title taken from ebay today:

    RDGTOOLS THREAD RESTORE FILE METRIC BSW UNC BSP ,MYFORD

    here's the link:

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RDGTOOLS-T...item519a7a10bd

    Did Myford manufacture the thread files? There are many more listings like this one. The phrase "lack of integrity" comes to mind. I think this type of misrepresentation should cease immediately. LOL.

    Phil

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  • dp
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    Originally posted by john11668
    That was not really the point !
    I was talking about the negative use of trade names
    ie "Warco Lathe, Not Myford , Raglan, Colchester , Boxford"

    It is a common means of attracting the people who search those other titles to your less appealing machine

    Yep - like "Cheap assed no-name watch for sale. Not a Rolex"

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  • john11668
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    Originally posted by John Stevenson
    Technically they can use Raglan as they also own that name. Myford bought Raglans in the 1970's
    That was not really the point !
    I was talking about the negative use of trade names
    ie "Warco Lathe, Not Myford , Raglan, Colchester , Boxford"

    It is a common means of attracting the people who search those other titles to your less appealing machine

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  • dp
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    When Oracle bought Sun Microsystems they also got the trade names of all the products so now you see Oracle Solaris Unix rather than Sun Solaris. Same with Java. Oracle owns that now too, and they continue to call it Java except it is aka Oracle Java. They own all rights to the names.

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  • Black_Moons
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    Originally posted by mike os
    Of course thay can... anything they make anywhere can carry any brand name they own and be genuine part
    But they did'nt make these parts, just resold them.

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  • mike os
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    Originally posted by Black_Moons
    Yes, but they can hardly say myford made it when some other company made it, then they resell it without doing ANYTHING to it, can they?

    Also many are discribed as 'Fits myford' or 'myford lathe', when they are neither.

    Of course thay can... anything they make anywhere can carry any brand name they own and be genuine part

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  • John Stevenson
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    Originally posted by john11668
    Wonder how they would deal with someone using the Myford name in a negative way to attract buyers of other (sometimes unrelated) products.
    For example it is not unknown for someone to advertising maybe a Raglan Lathe , to attempt to attract seekers of other names by listing
    "Raglan lathe , not Myford , Boxford , Colchester"
    Technically they can use Raglan as they also own that name. Myford bought Raglans in the 1970's

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  • Black_Moons
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    Originally posted by mike os
    they dont need to, they are myford (effectively)
    Yes, but they can hardly say myford made it when some other company made it, then they resell it without doing ANYTHING to it, can they?

    Also many are discribed as 'Fits myford' or 'myford lathe', when they are neither.

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