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How would you load a 10ee with no forklift?

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  • How would you load a 10ee with no forklift?

    Wondering about loading a 10ee into a Uhaul 6x12 tandem axle trailer without the use of a forklift/backhoe/etc... In other words, manually loading it.

    Was thinking about raising the lathe on a 'crib' of 6x6's or 4x4's until a height that is a few inches below the trailer floor level. This could be done with a (what we call) Jo-bar, or big lever bar with cast wheels that can handle lotso weight. The wood immediately under the lathe need to be running the length of the lathe. This would take some fiddling around, I know...

    Once at the correct height, back the trailer right up to the lathe. Connect a comealong and pulling strap around the unit and attach to the front of the trailer and put some slight tension on the lathe going forward.

    Use the jo-bar and start putting some 4" round wood fence posts across the underside of the lathe, it will roll on these. The tension from the come-along keeps the lathe from accidentatlly rolling backwards off the crib.

    Once you have5-6 posts under the lathe, start working the lathe forward with the come-along. As a post rolls off the crib, ready that post for the bed of the trailer. The trailer has a slight rearward tilt when connected to the truck, so it won't be rolling forward in the trailer without the come-along.

    Keep working the lathe into the trailer on the posts that were on the crib, until the lathe is in position on the trailer. Remove posts with jo-bar and put some wood crossmembers under the lathe for transport.

    Crazy idea? Or something different?

  • #2
    I'd find a rental store around the corner, get a forklift, raise up the machine and back the trailer under the monarch. I bet you could do this with the minimal rental time. Most importantly you would be safe and likely go home with all your fingers. It will be quick and easy and a whole lot less trouble than fussing with cribbing, pipes, and something tall with a dangerous center of balance.


    • #3
      Are there any towing companies in your area?I've moved a few machines that way,call around and tell they what you need done.Most I've ever paid to have a machine that size loaded on a trailer was $150.
      I just need one more tool,just one!


      • #4
        Originally posted by wierdscience
        Are there any towing companies in your area?I've moved a few machines that way,call around and tell they what you need done.Most I've ever paid to have a machine that size loaded on a trailer was $150.
        I guess I'm missing this. Towing companies using what?


        • #5
          Originally posted by T.Hoffman
          I guess I'm missing this. Towing companies using what?
          A tow truck I had one unload my 3500# vertical mill. It was slick it would not fit under the garage door so he pushed the bottom out with the arm they use on the front wheels of cars then winched off and it sat up nice and straight on some 4x4 stickers inside the door then I used a pallet jack to put it in place I just left it on the 4x4 stickers in case I need to move it again.



          • #6
            I used a towing company and they used a dual-boom truck. Worked perfectly.



            • #7
              I know you do not have a Sunbelt rental in WI, but you may want to see if you could find a trailer like these:

              Much better than a U Haul for your application.


              • #8
                If there is not a rental store in town then ask the guy your buying it from if there is any light industrial around. Maybe you can get a dude to scoot over with the forklift at lunch and help for some beer money.


                • #9
                  I moved a Monarch 10ee a few weeks ago, used a roll back, and the winch on the roll back pull it up on the bed- the lathe was on rollers, and still very nearly tipped it over, the center of gravity wants to let it tip on the front of the machine (where all the goodies are)- at least mine did without the motor.

                  After we got it to my shop, the driver said it could have been done with the tow truck, and just set it on the bed of my truck (I would not have wanted to do that). But I do think the method of moving/ lifting with a tow truck would be a good one, and should not cost all that much.

                  The roll back pulled the lathe about 30' over a rough concrete floor, brought it over the step up to the bed, secured it, hauled it 40 miles to my shop, and set it under my hoist, where I was able to lift it enough to let him roll out from under it.

                  The charge was $250, money I felt was well spent.


                  • #10
                    This thread came to mind:


                    The Monarch 10ee can weigh somewhere in the neighborhood of 4000 lbs, and it is also top heavy! Like a fool, when mine started to topple I quickly jumped in to steady it, realizing later I had put myself in harm's way had I got there a second or less later. Once it passed a certain point, there would have been no human way to stop it and no time to get out of the way!

                    However you move it be very very careful!


                    • #11
                      The Egyptians built the pyramids.....

                      Yes, you could do it yourself, but for a Monarch I think I would call in reinforcements and get somebody to load it.

                      If you are determined to do it yourself, however, I think I would raise it up via a lever no more than 3/4" at a time, alternating ends and blocking it up with stacks of 12"x12" squares of 3/4" plywood at the four corners. If you could somehow contrive to bolt a couple of 2x8 planks under the lathe front and back lengthwise of the lathe through the lathe's bolt-down holes, for eventual rollers to roll on, that would be good. Take the whole process REALLY slowly and deliberately, and if things start to look dicey, back up and re-think the next step.
                      If you have to buy all the blocking, planks, and assorted rigging, you will probably make a good dent in what it would cost to hire somebody to load and unload it safely in a tenth of the time.
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                      • #12
                        I suspect youre renting the wrong type of trailer from U-haul. I rented one of their open "utility" trailers to move my Bport with a 4' tall gate/ramp on the back of it. In your situation you may have to block up the ramp as insurance against bending it (maybe not tho), but otherwise simply drop the ramp, use some pipe rollers to roll the lathe to the trailer, use the JO (I call them tanker) bar to get the front edge up onto the ramp if necessary, the use a come-a-long to pull it the rest of the way up onto the trailer.
                        "I am, and ever will be, a white-socks, pocket-protector, nerdy engineer -- born under the second law of thermodynamics, steeped in the steam tables, in love with free-body diagrams, transformed by Laplace, and propelled by compressible flow."


                        • #13
                          How about taking the tailgate off the trailer, and raising the towing hitch off the ground so that the trailer is on its rear wheels only. Keep lifting the towing hitch until the tail of the trailer is on the ground. Take a sheet of steel, lay it so that it makes a smooth ramp onto the trailer. Then, with a comealong / chainblock, pull the lathe lengthwise onto the trailer. I'd go tailstock first.

                          To reduce the chance of the lathe toppling over (fore and aft - it's not likely to go end over end), clamp a length of round bar in the chuck, support it with the tailstock. Make up 2 strops, run these from the bar in the chuck to each side rail of the trailer. Let them slide along the bar as you winch the lathe onto the trailer.

                          But as others have said, and especially with such a nice lathe, I'd suggest getting someone with proper lifting equipment to do it. Compare the cost of fixing damage if the machine falls over (let alone injury) with the cost of getting it lifted professionally.

                          All of the gear, no idea...


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by justanengineer
                            I suspect youre renting the wrong type of trailer from U-haul. I rented one of their open "utility" trailers to move my Bport with a 4' tall gate/ramp on the back of it.
                            Not getting the "ramped" 6x12, just the standard 6x12 with drop endgate which is the height of the other sides.

                            Ouch, that thought has crossed my mind. In unloading the jigsaw puzzle 10ee in my garage, I noticed how top-heavy it can be with a little lean.


                            • #15
                              I usually just get a regular tow truck with a boom on it. Moved my 16" lathe and Bridgy clone that way. Moved a 12' long old,very heavy metal lathe on a SMOOTH BED tilt bed. Bed must be SMOOTH steel. Had them drive right into a garage where we stored it and slide the lathe right off and drive out from under it. Went just fine. The lathe was pulled up onto the truck with the regular small wire cable they have on their winch. All worked due to the smooth steel bed.