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  • Suppose I wanted to make a trellis....

    I have my O/A torch that I'm getting much better at welding with. I was at a local garden center and noticed some nice big iron(?) trellises.
    I liked the design, and thought it wouldn't be out of my cabilities to fabricate something like that.

    ...or at least I think that now.

    Is wrought iron still used? Or is most of it a certain type of steel now?

    Is there a beginner blacksmithing forum similar to this board?

    I feel forming metal with fire and hammer would be something I could get into head over heels.

  • #2
    Originally posted by T.Hoffman
    Is wrought iron still used? Or is most of it a certain type of steel now?
    99.999% of "wrought iron" is steel these days.

    you can make nice stuff using standard pieces parts available
    from your local steel service center (or big box home improvement
    store --- though the big box's selection is more expensive and more
    limited).

    here's a pointer to a thread of mine on the miller welding site
    about a trellis i made for my wife's roses and vines to climb on.


    http://www.millerwelds.com/resources...Recent-Project

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    • #3
      Any type of steel better for this sort of thing than others?
      There's many different steels in McMaster to choose from.
      Lower carbon content better?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by T.Hoffman
        Any type of steel better for this sort of thing than others?
        There's many different steels in McMaster to choose from.
        Lower carbon content better?
        I think I would use hot rolled.


        Brian
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        • #5
          Yep, hot rolled mild steel 1018-1020. I used to make a lot of "wrought iron" using an old Lincoln 180 Amp buzz box and mild steel.
          Brian Rupnow

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          • #6
            Anyone ever make a home forge?
            ....this has my interest in a big way lately.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by T.Hoffman
              Any type of steel better for this sort of thing than others?
              There's many different steels in McMaster to choose from.
              Lower carbon content better?
              Buying from McMaster or any of the other on-line/mail order
              places is _very_ _expensive_. Same for places like Fastenal.

              Buy from a local steel service center. Many will flame-cut by hand
              to approximate (+/- 1 or 2") length for free or minimal cost
              (which you might want to fit your pickup or the like). If you can find
              a place that also buys scrap, you can find better deals on random
              scraps --- also you might find some interesting shapes in the piles.

              Hot Rolled Plain Carbon Steel is basically what you want -- the
              exact grade is not important for the type of work you're planning on.

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              • #8
                A trellis tends to be obscured by the vines. I just use 3/8 rebar.
                Byron Boucher
                Burnet, TX

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                • #9
                  Genuine wrought Iron is very hard to come by these days.

                  Quite a few Smiths quit when the supplies of wrought Iron dried up. Wrought Iron works like butter campared to Steel.

                  I was talking to a Smith a couple of years back. He'd picked up a big load of Halberds heads as military surplus. He said the wrought Iron that made up the bulk of the weapon was an absolute joy to work with.
                  Paul Compton
                  www.morini-mania.co.uk
                  http://www.youtube.com/user/EVguru

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Boucher
                    A trellis tends to be obscured by the vines. I just use 3/8 rebar.
                    Up north in some places for the winter, the vines are cut way back each year.
                    So later in the fall, all the winter, spring, and first part of summer you see the nice trellis until the vine regrows fully....

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                    • #11
                      Is that wroght iron "look" of the metal (that matte flat black) in most stuff now a surface treatment or paint?

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                      • #12
                        Most of the time that flat black appearance will be paint or powder coat. You can create a nice surface finish by heating steel to nearly red and plunging into oil, waste sump oil works, boiled linseed is very good. This gives a nice black reasonably rust resistant finish which would be suitable for indoor items like door furniture etc but would not prevent rust outside.

                        If you are looking for a black-smithing forum I found Anvilfire to be a friendly lot.
                        West Sussex UK

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Alan Smith
                          Most of the time that flat black appearance will be paint or powder coat. You can create a nice surface finish by heating steel to nearly red and plunging into oil, waste sump oil works, boiled linseed is very good. This gives a nice black reasonably rust resistant finish which would be suitable for indoor items like door furniture etc but would not prevent rust outside.

                          If you are looking for a black-smithing forum I found Anvilfire to be a friendly lot.
                          I am, and thank you!

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                          • #14
                            Another blacksmith site:

                            http://www.iforgeiron.com/

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                            • #15
                              much appreciated!

                              ....was just scanning CL and found a Peter Wright anvil near me for a decent price, and looks in very nice shape. Might have to go look....

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