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  • EddyCurr
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    Hold up with that there rope, partner.
    I'm not done yet.

    Is the statement, 'A cyclotron only consumes power' correct?
    And if so, how much power does one like this need: a little or a
    lot.

    Where I'm going with this is that the same neighbor is also setting
    about building a combined use community (residential, academic,
    research and 'mixed use') adjacent to the cyclotron. Daily site
    population anticipated to be 20,000.

    Curious minds want to know how & where the energy to operate
    all this is going to come from. A guiding principal is to use alternative,
    non-fossil fuel sources.

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  • Mcgyver
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    I worked on a deal once involving medical isotopes. as I recall there is an issue in that some half lives are short enough that being Toronto getting much of theirs from a facility in Buffalo (1.5 hours away) is a problem. Ideally you want them in the same building that uses the isotopes. iirc there are cyclotrons that you buy and install in a medical building in dense urban areas...although granted I have no knowledge if these are the same products U of A is creating. Just a tidbit I happened to know about the medical isotope biz
    Last edited by Mcgyver; 09-27-2012, 05:53 PM.

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  • EddyCurr
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    Medical isotope quality mimicked without reactor
    CBC News 2012.06.11

    "The Alberta team was able to produce viable quantities of high-quality
    technetium-99m using a 19-mega-electron-volt cyclotron, a circular
    particle accelerator, said Dr. Sandy McEwan, a researcher with the
    University of Alberta and medical director with Alberta Health Services'
    Cross Cancer Institute in Edmonton.

    ...

    The next step is to scale up production from the clinical trial stage to
    make the 500 doses of isotopes that are used daily by hospitals and clinics
    in the Edmonton area, McEwan said.

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  • RLWP
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    So your neighbours are a university?

    In which case, I wouldn't worry too much. They will have been through enormous steps to prove the safety of what they have, and they can afford to pay the electric bill

    Richard

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  • MotorradMike
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    HaHa:

    You said "neighbours" and led us to believe they were rednecks building a cyclotron out of plywood and 2x4s in the hopes of using it to power itself and the homes nearby.

    OK boys, now we have to figure out how to get EddyCurr back.

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  • MotorradMike
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    I got to do some radiation testing at TRIUMF in BC a few times.
    The cyclotron there was the largest accelerator in the world at that time.
    It got protons going at 3/4 light speed.
    It consumed enormous amounts of power and didn't generate any.
    http://www.triumf.ca/

    Your neighbours are probably crazy unless they are pulling your leg.
    if the latter is true, report back and we'll figure out how to get them back.

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  • The Artful Bodger
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    Cyclatrons require strong magnetic and radio frequency fields both of which would make your electricity meter spin! (Maybe permanent magnets could be used, I dont know.)

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  • EddyCurr
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    Originally posted by RLWP View Post
    Your neighbours plan to build a particle accelerator???
    Not future tense. They are pretty far along on the project.
    U of A may fill void in isotopes
    By Gemma Karstens Smith,
    Edmonton Journal 2012.06.11

    "To meet that goal, a powerful cyclotron will be
    installed in the old Balmoral Curling Club this month."

    The nearest detached single family homes are a bit less than 500' away
    from the facility. I am a little further afield, but still only "across the street".

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  • RLWP
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    Your neighbours plan to build a particle accelerator???

    Your neighbours are nutcases

    In the nicest possible way of course

    Richard

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  • EddyCurr
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    OT: Do Cyclotrons Only Consume Power

    My neighbors across the street built a cyclotron. They plan to get into making
    isotopes for medical use.

    Do cyclotrons only consume power to operate or can they generate power as well ?
    If they only consume power, how much are we talking for this kind of application?

    What about cooling: media, volume, special considerations ...?

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