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    As you may know, I am in a somewhat long process of converting my garage to a nice shop. I am not as well along as I want to be, but I have been doing some metal work there as part of this process. It is a fairly standard, two car garage which measures about 20' x 21' and I presently have six, two tube, bare tube florescent fixtures in it for general light. The level of the light is OK, but I have noticed that this is not really adequate for some tasks, like determining if a punch mark is actually on the cross lines or if it needs to be corrected. Depending on which way I face, the same mark can appear to be high or low or left or right or off at some angle. Optical illusions. I find that I must use a magnifier and shield the part from direct light with my head in order to see exactly where the first punch mark is. I can accept this time consuming procedure for exacting work, but for many tasks where the highest accuracy is not really needed, it is really too much time wasted. A faster procedure is needed.

    What I am wondering is if there is some form of lighting that I can use, perhaps at a layout/inspection area, that will minimize this problem. Am I looking at some kind of soft, diffuse lighting? Bounce light? Ring light? Any suggestions? I just read Evan's latest lighting post for his living room or den. Any thoughts about LED strips for the shop.
    Paul A.
    SE Texas

    And if you look REAL close at an analog signal,
    You will find that it has discrete steps.

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    Paul nowadays things seem to me to be in many cases a bit more difficult, Due to (particularly over here in the U.K. ) European regulations etc, where the only light bulbs one can get nowadays are flouroscents, Except occasionally one can pick up the older style filament bulbs
    I find that my main shop lighting large flouroscent tubes is a harsh light, & like yourself i find centre dab marks, layout lines etc a little harder to distinguish Maybe a lot of this is due to advancing years
    However the light on my big lathe, & over my workbench, i use an older syle filament bulb, this gives a nicer warmer light, which i find nicer to work to
    maybe it is only me with a self preference, or can someone explain a more scientific aspect of shop lighting

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    • #3
      T5 fluorescent lights are coming down in price

      Huge step up from standard
      https://www.flickr.com/photos/csprecision

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      • #4
        Check out some of the LED localized lighting options, ebay 120961514253, these have a standard ES base to them.
        Max.

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        • #5
          For me, it seems to make a big difference what color the light is, natural sunlight is best but not always available. The fluorescent tube color I liked best used to be called "Daylight", don't know what current designation would come closest to that in the newer T-5 or T-8 tubes. The "Dayllight" color seemed to be much better than "Cool White" and certainly way better than either mercury vapor or metal halide.

          Dave

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          • #6
            If you don't have reflectors your losing a lot of light, it can be as simple as putting some aluminum foil behind your bulbs, if you want some bright light I just bought some LED flood lights mount them as high as you can and it will seem like high noon on a bright sunny day, the color is white/warm white, projected life is 50,000+ hours, max power is 12W, voltage 100/240 50/60 Hz . I used 1 to replace 2 150 watt flood lights. Search on Amazon for LEDwholesalers.

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            • #7
              If you scribe the centre lines you can feel the intersection witha fine(r)-pointed "prick" punch - it takes a bit of practice but once you "have it" it makes things a lot easier. If the punch mark is not on the centres it can be "drawn" over to where you want it and "re-pricked".

              Once its OK use normal centre punch - check if its OK - if not "draw it over".

              The best way to "sight" the punch mark/s is to "sight" them along the centre lines.

              This is all "manual skills" such as tool and drill sharpening that have to be"worked at" to "get it" an need occasssional practice to keep theskill level up.

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              • #8
                Try doing that with the lights turned off, oldtiffie. I think you missed the point, again.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by duckman View Post
                  If you don't have reflectors your losing a lot of light, it can be as simple as putting some aluminum foil behind your bulbs, if you want some bright light I just bought some LED flood lights mount them as high as you can and it will seem like high noon on a bright sunny day, the color is white/warm white, projected life is 50,000+ hours, max power is 12W, voltage 100/240 50/60 Hz . I used 1 to replace 2 150 watt flood lights. Search on Amazon for LEDwholesalers.
                  When I said "bare bulb" I meant there was no diffuser in front of the bulbs. There is a white reflecting surface behind and partially around them. I don't think the light is insufficient. I think it is too, er, something, perhaps too harsh.
                  Paul A.
                  SE Texas

                  And if you look REAL close at an analog signal,
                  You will find that it has discrete steps.

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                  • #10
                    edit: oops, never mind

                    my only suggestion is that the lighting in the inspection are have high CRI and be diffuse, which helps the brain distinguish features.

                    Also, maybe you need better quality tubes. what's the cri and temperature of your tubes? It should have a 3 digit number somewhere on it, like 841 = 80+cri ,4100K
                    Last edited by beanbag; 12-08-2012, 07:53 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Perhaps at least part of the probelm is "old eyes" with the remainder of the problem in large part being not being able to admit it or do something (eg "spend money") about it.

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                      • #12
                        I recently fixed an 18" adjustable Luxo (you, know with the articulated arms and springs) fluorescent on my bench. Is it ever great to have; being able to position the light depending what side/angle you're trying to see is SO much better than relying on stationary overhead light
                        in Toronto Ontario - where are you?

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                        • #13
                          Paul,

                          For general shop lighting most people need around 30fc (foot-candles) of illumination. Normally the most economical approach is to provide this light level over the entire shop and then supplement the main lighting system at the machine tools to provide 50-75fc. For bench work/layout, it not unusual to see 100fc and above depending on how critical the work is. For general shop lighting, consider a T5-HO lighting system for excellent energy efficiency and high color rendering ability.

                          Tim

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                          • #14
                            With Modern LED's and compact fluorescents, I don't know the answer.
                            But having worked in die shops most of my life, The following is a standard to guide you.
                            For normal shop lighting, you want one watt ( from a standard fluorescent ) per square foot with white walls and white ceiling.
                            This will give good overall lighting, but require spot lighting on machines sometimes, or at the bench .
                            If you want lighting with no spots, use 2 watts per foot as a guide. We had this at work and did precision grinding as well as close layout.
                            My shop is 23 x 23 which is 523 sq/ft and I have nine 8 foot fluorescents ( 540 watts) and use spots on occasions.
                            White walls and ceiling are critical !
                            Rich
                            Last edited by Rich Carlstedt; 12-10-2012, 12:25 AM.
                            Green Bay, WI

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                            • #15
                              One trick I have used while hand drafting (MANY years ago) was to have a small light off to one side and about 8" to 12" above the surface. I would sight the shadow of the pen and the pen tip to meet at the point I wanted to hit. Put the shadow tip on the mark and bring the pen down to it.

                              Since I am left handed, I would mount this light on my left. You probably will want to mount it to your right.

                              Pops

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