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  • #16
    Originally posted by Grind Hard View Post
    I know in this area CNC Programer-Setup and Machinist wages have crashed. The number of kids the two colleges are spewing out saw to that. Same thing happened back in Rochester. Several big shops cut the CC a cheque, school built a CNC and Machining program and stated spewing people out like a firehose.

    You can tell it was intentional because of the number of ads seeking "ECC Graduates" or "MCC Manufacturing Engineering Program Graduates Only." These jobs just so happen to spring up when the schools are graduating a new crop, and they offer absurdly low wages (even for entry level.)

    Don't know about the rest of you but I took classes and got papers so I didn't have to work at poverty wages for the rest of my life. It's utterly asinine that employers are expecting people to run up $100K in school debt then beg for $10 an hour.
    Shouldn't you really be blaming the school that charged you $100k for tuition? That's that part that seems a bit more out of line.

    Mark

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    • #17
      Grind Hard;

      (preface - added on review - this is written assuming USA and Canada are in the same boat and the border does not exist; please don't read it any other way)

      You know, the workers at the EMD Locomotive plant in London, Ontario, probably thought that they were paid fairly for the work they did. Now that workers at the Indiana plant have their jobs for (my guestimate, from reading news at the time) half their pay plus less benefits, I wonder if they'd find the craigslist add too far off the mark.

      I found this story from a few days ago interesting - yes it is from one of us Canadians, but he's residing in Washington and reports what he sees of interest to those north of the border:

      http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2...t-to-work.html

      Don't know if he is right or wrong, but if he's on track, then the future is interesting and not like what we grew up in.

      Another JohnS

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      • #18
        Found myself unemployed a few years ago, of course as a condition of UE was required to apply for several jobs a week. Ran across one for a tool and die maker that required qualifications that amounted to a several years experience, then at the end of the ad listed a starting pay of $9 an hour.

        I was incredulous, figured I would rather greet people at Walmart for minimum wage than work for that! Maybe the ad was bogus as some have suggested, that makes better sense, but then again quite a few talented technical people found themselves in the same boat!

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        • #19
          I''m sure the ad is a spoof by a frustrated worker but it does point out a problem.

          What's even worse is when someone who is qualified for a highly technical position by virtue of education and experience can't find a job anywhere due to the shrinking market. That person is then forced to apply for entry level jobs and he soon discovers that his background will work against him because employers figure he won't stay around.

          This happened to me several times before I became self-employed.

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          • #20
            I find that post to be hilarious. If anyone thinks for one second that that is a real post, I have a bridge in New York I am willing to sell cheap. Someone has either had a bad set of interviews or has been shafted or simply can't find a job. Anyway, they are very good at their sarcasm and writing skills.

            Priceless. They should actually be looking for a job at MAD magazine or National Lampoon.
            Last edited by garagemark; 12-12-2012, 12:34 PM.

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            • #21
              Some people/companies think specialized skill-sets fall out of trees and are therefore cheap. It is often an eye opener when you ask how much time and money a company would have to use to create that level of skill/certification/education for the next random stranger that walks in off the street.

              My personal favorite is job postings that require a length of experience with a given product or technology that is longer than the amount of time the product or technology has existed. Second to that is requiring certifications that do not exist.

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              • #22
                About 10 years ago while unemployed I applied for a maintenance position for a dry cleaner chain. I was given a time and place for the "interview". I show up and find myself in a group of about 20 people, most of them applying for "presser" positions. Anyway, the "interview" was a lecture about how they don't tolerate stealing yada yada. Then this woman pulls out a plastic lapel pin and explains how if you stay with the company for 5 years you will be rewarded with one of these "very nice" pins. After 30 minutes she finally opens it up for questions. I was the only one with a question. Of course it was a very obscure, seldom considered perk that accompanies one of these three martini jobs: "Do you provide health insurance?" I got the feeling no one else in the room knew what I was talking about. Her answer was "Our managers get insurance. That's one of the incentives you all will have to move up in the company." I felt like sticking one of those very nice lapel pins up this bitch's ass for waisting my time.
                Last edited by rmcphearson; 12-12-2012, 01:57 PM.
                -Roland
                Golf Course Mechanic

                Bedminster NJ

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                • #23
                  I to believe the ad is a spoof. If it is not, the position will never be filled.

                  When I was at the phone company we were required to post all open positions. The number of job openings were frequently mentioned, job fairs were held etc. We had 4,000 openings in a company of 100,000 people. Open and transparent, right?

                  I was looking to move up in the technical ranks, so I started digging through the job posting database. That's when I found the same job opening was usually offered 4 times, once for each technical rank. That's listing the same job for wildly different wages. On one case the same work could be done for $35,000 a year or $95,000 a year. It all depended on what rank the job applicant currently held, since the company policy was to not promote more than one rank at a time.

                  Of the 4,000 postings, there were really only 1,115 unique jobs.

                  Dan
                  At the end of the project, there is a profound difference between spare parts and left over parts.

                  Location: SF East Bay.

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                  • #24
                    We went trough a period of "where the hell are we hiring these people from?!" Turns out the hiring manager was "scouting" local bars and hiring people who bought him drinks, no joke.

                    I see quite a few oddly detailed high-end managerial positions posted on Cragslist, I always thought it odd that a company looking for someone with 30 years of alphabet soup qualifications, a very high end degree and offering a six-figure salary would post to Craigslist.

                    Craigslist is know mostly for where you buy used tools, hook up with strange women and sell junk at ripoff prices. Why would a major corporation recruit managers from there? Now that I read some of the posts here, I think I have an answer.
                    "The Administration does not support blowing up planets." --- Finally some SENSIBLE policy from the Gov!

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                    • #25
                      If you have not figured out whether or not this ad is a spoof, check out the small print perks at the bottom...

                      "Compensation: $7.25 an hour plus bagels, free coffee, electric lighting in work-area, chairs,"

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Grind Hard View Post
                        Why would a major corporation recruit managers from there? Now that I read some of the posts here, I think I have an answer.

                        You hunt where the game is, you fish where the fish are.

                        It costs nothing for an HR department to set up an auto feed to Craigslist along with all the other job hunting sites.

                        In the Silicon Valley area, a headhunter can make $20,000 for finding a good IT professional or manager. If you get just one candidate without that overhead it pays for all the time spent listing on craigslist and the like.

                        Dan
                        At the end of the project, there is a profound difference between spare parts and left over parts.

                        Location: SF East Bay.

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                        • #27
                          Don't believe anything you see posted on CL all they want to do is sell you Viagra!!

                          JL..........................

                          JL...............

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by bruto View Post
                            If you have not figured out whether or not this ad is a spoof, check out the small print perks at the bottom...

                            "Compensation: $7.25 an hour plus bagels, free coffee, electric lighting in work-area, chairs,"
                            Thing is there "Coffee And Doughnuts" were touted as a perk at one of the places I applied to. $11.50 to setup, run and program two turret presses and maintain all tooling, along with a list of "other" responsibilities that would make your head SPIN. For a third of what I made before.

                            Oh but hey! We don't offer medical insurance AT ALL -- instead we offer ALL our employees FREE COFFEE AND DOUGHNUTS every morning! As many as you can eat!


                            I think fact that this "company" is running Makerbots shows it's a spoof, as well as the fact that the SLS machine... unless it's an obsolete unsupported model it just doesn't exist.
                            "The Administration does not support blowing up planets." --- Finally some SENSIBLE policy from the Gov!

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                            • #29
                              I think this company is seriously underestimating how many bagels, and coffee's I can consume in an average workday.

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                              • #30
                                i went for a weld job. took the test passed it no problem. took the written test passed it no problem. they said $9.00 an hour. i said what? then they came back with we work 10 hours a day and half day sat. so with the overtime it works out to the same as $14 an hour for a 40 hour week.

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