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  • jim davies
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    The Sand Pebbles had as much technical stuff in it as almost any film made. I guess we can thank Steve McQ for that.

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  • docsteve66
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    Maker: you read "analog"?. If not, there are several of the spiders stories there.


    On Sand Pebbles- The movie was good, but I enjoyed the book more. The movie just took a different point of view than the book.

    Mc Kenna wrote good books. Sand Pebbles not only talks a lot about engineering on the china river boats, its a good insight into how we and china strayed into the pre WWll mess, and a good commentary on 1920's military life. Any thing by Mc Kenna will have some good mechanical insight.

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  • Maker
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    Ya know,

    I found this site while searching for machining info, and I've been learning alot about it (machining) since. The collective wisdom is astounding, and I'm trying to soak it all up! But, much to my surprise, I find that I am also learning to be a better person. Many of the shared insights, stories ,personal observations and even disagreements show me more about being (a good) human than I have imagined.

    There are some short stories written by Spider Robinson about a bar called Callahan's. It's a place where people gather to share, and laugh and be human. Since reading these stories, I have hoped to find a place like that. Finally, I think I have.

    I like this place. I like it alot!

    Alex

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  • Evan
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    I've never hocked anything but I do buy from pawn shops. After I came to Canada I bought a tool chest full of aircraft sheet metal tools for $50 from a pawn shop. There was at least $300 or $400 worth of tools in it, air hammer and drill, avaiation snips, bucking bars, clecos and various other stuff. I also bought a sporterized 303 rifle from a pawn for $30, took it home slung on my shoulder on a city bus. Just try that today!

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  • Excitable Boy
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    I never understood the mentality that lead to pawning your tools. Once they're gone, how do you work enough to get them back??? I've held this belief since I worked in the trades back in my early 20s.

    As I've been recently been spending every spare nickel (of disposable cash, not grocery or rent money) on tooling up my shop, I remembered these mis-guided souls who would hawk their tools and have visited several pawn shops looking for dial indicators and such. What I find is that guys who manage their lives poorly enough to have to pawn their tools, don't take very good care of their tools either. I'm sure there are some gems out there in pawn shops, but I haven't found them.

    John

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    Pursue Excellence and the rest will follow.

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  • docsteve66
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    Dave: don't be fooled- I won't pay retail unless they are only game around. I'd say bargain like a ... .... But I don't want to start over .

    Pawn shop or food?
    When I was doing water tanks (high steel work) we had insurance rules. No work when raining, windy, thunderstorms etc.

    My crew was caught in New York state, winter of 1955/56. Weather stopped work for over a week. Little pay due to weather for previous weeks. Cheap rooming house, sandwiches in rooms.

    As foreman I got 75.00 dollars a week plus my commission money. Company held a few thousand in a kitty to make sure foreman paid for bad work- but my kitty was pretty big. So i kept men working on polishing the truck, cleaning stuff. Managed to keep my crew fed though we did no high work.

    Near by foreman had same problem, but he played cards, bet advance wages to pay for his losings. Finally, They (foreman and crew)cranked up tractor and headed for Memphis Tenn. En route, they Hocked welding rods, hocked paint, tools, filled the tanks in Memphis with diesel fuel, "rented" (but did not prepay) a motel room for a week, left engine idling, and pawnshop tickets in cab. Few days later motel called about the tractor running day in day/day out. Old man (owner) mailed me the pawn shop tickets plus money to retrieve our stuff. Job finished, I headed south following the Foreman's route, picked up hocked stuff. When I crossed state line I was way over weight on one axle, little over gross weight. Still paying for seven men's meal out of my pocket. Hit Memphis broke, angry, tired and several thousand pounds of material short, no hock slips, over weight fine, expecting to be fired.

    OLd man sent us home (at our own expense) for a week off (christmas), Then south in to TExas, a state i dearly love, to work where the sun shined- Old man also added a little money for each man. That was a rough winter. Not a man quit on me. That was my only encounter with pawn shops. I bet the foreman (who really did not care what he got) got about 10 percent of the true worth of the stuff he hocked, and I paid a high price to retrieve. Course, in defense of the pawn shop, not much market for cans of FISH OIL based aluminum paint or bags of block and tackle and used Bosun chairs.

    I don't see how a man who has hocked tools ever gets back on his feet.

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  • Thrud
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    David
    you tell 'em brother! Amen to that!

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  • ibewgypsie
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    Doc..

    You ever see a child with a $120 a week grocery bill... HA... I just finished a pan of homemade buttermilk biscuits.

    I run into bargains, usually when I am broke.
    Normal stuff. The local harley that went on ebay for 1400.. I tried to purchase it after the auction from the buyer. It was spelled incorrectly in the ad. It was listed Harly.

    Retain your sales reciept from a pawn shop. I while working for DIS (equipment fabricators) In North Carolina I did purchase quite a few drills in a pawn shop there in North Carolina. While offloading the Milwaukee drills into my personal vehicle the Pipefitter foreman did stop me and accuse me of stealing the drills. Him and I went to the owner, The Forman did accuse me again and I was considering breaking his nose.
    When I produced the pawn ticket we did figure out that the fitters had drank all thier money up and were pawning company tools (30 days before) to buy groceries.
    They did reluctantly pay me my investment or I would have kept all the drills. I did not make any money for my investment and I was unhappy about that. I ate bologna in my hotel room to pay for the drills with my Peduim expense money.

    I can see thier side of the story too. Nobody was fired because the of the theft of tools. Nobody apologized to me either and do still hold a grudge till this day. Not all the drills had THE "company mark" on them. (paint) The Fitters view? I am the SOB that got them in trouble.

    I got tools I bought when I was 18. I have pawned guns after losing card games, never my tools.

    David

    [This message has been edited by ibewgypsie (edited 03-13-2004).]

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  • docsteve66
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    Naw, IBEW,innocent child that he is got a good deal on drill. Next time , by all thats precious, he gonna pay full price or I head for North Georgia.
    Nuff said\
    Steve

    PS All the rest seemed like a good idea at the time. Just step by step wandering in a swamp full of alligators.
    Reminds me of time I was digging post holes with an auger (no reverse). Got stuck, could not back the auger out, too damn much effort to restart the engine so I tried to get it out with engine idling. When I gave up, some how the engine was buried deep, auger out of sight and I was shoveling trying to get to pin so I could unhook engine from the auger. Worse than the tar baby.
    Every neighbor looked, waved and asked later. But at the time every step seemed prudent, even needed.

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  • Evan
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    He hee, reminds me of the old game "Telephone". You whisper a phrase into a persons ear at a party. They whisper it to another. After the last person hears it they speak it. It usually bears no resemblance to the original. Often hilarious.

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  • Jerry B
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    How in the world did we get from pawn shops to this?????

    I must have missed a turn in the road a few miles back.

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  • docsteve66
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    Please. every one skip this one except Evan- I am just rambling on again.

    Evan: Good post, Good phrase.
    I got your meaning after I found "catagephobia" meaning . I just figured the "Pusillanimous" was such a common word- been in common usage since since old bill snakespear did his thing that it needed no comment.

    I'd use the phrase myself but my vocabulary is "passive" in the sense that I lack confidence pronouncing two syllable words.

    My education is mostly self made- and you can tell a self made man by the poor construction and many gaping holes.

    I think you definition of PC is wrong- the victim accepts the abuse of the PC types (what ever that means) because they fear ridicule. THe PC types fear rational ideas and physical violence.

    You and I smoke pipes, lately I have had comments made to me about the dangers to myself and to others. I respond slightly more aggressively than the PC commenter. They usually back off quickly and leave me alone (but,teen age girls get dirty quickly. THey are confident creatures). Used to be an occasional woman would chase me down and tell me how good the pipe smelled. Been a while since that occurred- has the pipe gone sour? what has happened? Can they really fear my smoke? or do they (my choice) want to show their power. (whisper- your turn to expound )

    I really have no definition/idea what PC is. I see examples and think I have it. Seems to me as though the concept is very fuzzy- no real rules nor objectives. Truly, I am reminded of Don Quixote and Sancho (as a team). Don finds evil every where and goes into battle, smiting pig and wind mills with gusto. One of the funniest lines in all my reading is where Don attacks the windmills and Sancho tells him, " Bossman, this is going to be worse than those pigs.".

    Seems to me that so many disagreements boil down to PC saying, " Joe, you can't say that about them" and "them" says "lets get on with business- I heard it all before". And Joe and PC argue about who has more "them" as friends. ANd Joe (with PC ) is tilting at windmills. The sane man warns them (Joe and PC) that this all going to get worse and is only in their minds. Words ain't gonna pay for babies shoes.

    I was, to my shame, doing the PC, trying to change "bigots" (which a another fuzzy term) thing long before Bobby Kennedy became a celebrity. Then I got smarter (or at least more effective). Now I try to remember I came to drain a swamp, don't bother fighting alligators, Just climb me tree, smoke my pipe and watch the action. When the fussing stops, I climb back down and help other drain their section of the swamp- I got all I want years ago.

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  • Evan
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    Pusillanimous Catagelophobe :

    Steve,

    Meaning, a cowardly person who is afraid of being ridiculed. I think this in part describes the many PC types out and about. I don't give squat what anyone calls me, I know who I am. As you may have noticed I will not be drawn into an argument using personal invective.

    BTW, if you look at my profile, you will see that language is one of my interests.

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  • docsteve66
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    Evan, sometimes I think you were vaccinated with with dictionary virus. Seldom do I get sent to a dictionary totally unable to figure out a words meaning. My 20 pound dictionary failed to list even the root, so to save others time:

    "Catagelophobia is an intense fear of something that poses little or no actual danger. While adults with catagelophobia realize that these fears are irrational, they often find that facing, or even thinking about facing, the feared situation brings on a panic attack or severe anxiety." a cut and past from GOOGLE (google had no returns for "Catagelophobe").


    Woody: I am no "Statesman" and if you feel beaten or unhappy I sure am no winner. Instead, I lose.

    In defense of my sensitivity, I was raised a migrant worker (during the big depression). We migrant kids descended on poor towns for a few weeks. School teachers were not being paid except in "warrants" in some towns. We were not welcome. California was bad to us okies (I was not from oklahoma), Arizona sent me to school with colored (now Afro-Americans), but New mexico and colorado were worst.
    In Roswell, New Mexico, we rode bus with the ranchers kids to city high school, then back to country school with Spanish (call them Mexican and you had a fight, they had no idea they were hispanic). No books (and we would be there less than a month anyway). Teacher put us at the rear of class. My only complaint (even today) is that teacher there would not call us by name. In Alamosa, Colorado, much the same took place excepting the class (mostly Spanish) spoke spanish, but the books were in English. Hard to learn under those conditions- but what the H only gonna be there a few weeks. No one wanted to hurt us, money was tight every where. We were an unfunded expense to the school system. We were expected to come but no one funded for us. We were an unintentional burden to the system.

    Any way, I probably attend about 50 schools (over thirty for sure) in 12 years. Finished high school, did military time, got a little college and worked in Mississippi. I have minor scars and left some big ones over equal rights for Negroes (the colored were Negro by then or at least there. Old Chinaman (chinese now) taught me how they (chinese) integrated the hospital in Greenville, his race had gone to school with Afro-Americans until about 1950. In 1953, his son was a nominee for high school all american, his daughter was president of senior class- and they needed no fighting or force to go to white schools- they were just invited (not all chinese were invited though). Charlie educated me and then I met Mr Stein.

    In Greenville, there was a clothing store run by Jay Stein- clothes in the front war surplus in the rear. He was old then (I think the Stein Mart chain started with his son (also Jay) who I never met. Mr Stein told me stories and advised/guided me. He and Charlie Chu were fatherly toward me. He was the man who pointed out to me that "Jew Down" was not racial. We discussed history and customs frankly- he warned/knew sooner or later I would wind up in prison or worse unless I cooled down. I finally realized that my campaign was me feeling physically superior to the rednecks (no offense meant) and Hicks (BTW my grandfather was a Hicks- how does a Hicks feel about the term "YOU HICKS"?) and morally superior to the middle class- had nothing to do with "improving" the lot of others (Chinese or Black or my self). So I kind of settled down and discussed issues logically (as best I could). That ALL I was doing with you and you have acted the part of a gentleman (my opinion).

    I would point out- had you been close enough to your Jewish friend to discuss these things you would have known what his answer would have been. Mr Stein (and Roy Little (my "Nigger rigger"(his words, not mine), Who was first black foreman ever promoted at Naval Aviation Depot Jacksonville Fla) both used identical phrasing (and the phrase is similar to the one your friend used) "people are just people"- that "Just" changes your "people are people" quote a lot.

    Hows about you have the last word and we drop the subject for a while?. I feel I have showed my ass and offended several by my posts.

    BTW- there are probably more who feel you were correct in objecting to the JEW DOWN than have spoken up. I am surprised to not have been verbally assaulted.

    Steve

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  • Evan
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    Pusillanimous Catagelophobe

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