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    My cost of fuel has gone thru the roof with the recent increases. I do shows in several places in North America.

    I don't care anything about the War or that Polical BS, somebody is making a lot of money and it's not the mom and pops gas stations.

    Jerry

  • #2
    The crude prices just started falling yesterday,and the stories you here on the news about refinery shutdowns/repairs/overhauls are in fact true,I know it and live it our refinery work is off the charts,especially since we are near the refining capital of North America.

    One other thing to consider is that less than %30 percent of our oil comes from the middle east,the bulk of the remainder comes in from Venesuala sp?,even though they are an OPEC country they are in the middle of some serious fluctuations politically,FARC,is cuasing major trouble in the pipelines at the same time making even more uncertain the supply.

    If you want to blame someone for the current price then blame #1 Futures traders(the real profiteers)#2 Greenpeace and the Sierra club and other enviro-wacks#3 the EPA and #4people who think we sould all ride horses or walk except them.

    The futures traders are making a killing as they nearly always do,its expected as they control the supply between the well and the refiner.

    The enviro-wacks are currently blocking drilling in ANWAR,the California coast,Florida coast,The Gulf of Mexico,The entire eastern seaboard,basically anywhere we have plenty of our own oil.Greenpeace is currently blocking attempts to up grade a local refinery and always show up anytime industry is involved.They are nothing but SUV driving leather wearing hypocrites.

    The EPA is also at fualt with its stupid formulation changes,these are a major factor in disrupting supply and distribution.Proof of this stupid policy is the need for two different formulations for Springfield,MO and Springfield,Ill,I guess the air doesn't cross the river there

    The final group,people who think we should all ride horses or walk,or more accurately Hollywood stars,its bad enough that we allow politicians to make our desicions for us,but for goodness sake,f------ moron actors?Paul McCartney's wife rings a bell on this one,she was big on doing away with I/C engines,airplanes you name it,but she had a private jet to go where she wanted(guess the horse wouldn't swim the Atlantic ocean).Why we let these know know nothing idiots dictate national policy is beyond me.

    Bottom line the gripe with the oil companies goes back to Standard Oil,actually it goes back further than that to Cain and Able and has a root in jealosy.I'm not saying the oil companies are not making a profit and I'm not saying they are innocent,but they ain't the only ones who are guilty,in other words-LOOK IN THE MIRROR!!!!!Oil and the resulting technoligies are what made this country what it is in the world,those who hate us know this and that may not be Bin Ladin as much as it is Robert Redford. Rant mode off.
    I just need one more tool,just one!

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    • #3
      don't worry,prices will drop around October,just in time for the election.that'll give'em all summer to gouge us.

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      • #4
        <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by wierdscience:
        The EPA is also at fualt with its stupid formulation changes,these are a major factor in disrupting supply and distribution.Proof of this stupid policy is the need for two different formulations for Springfield,MO and Springfield,Ill,I guess the air doesn't cross the river there
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        St Louis still has MTBA REQUIRED in gas, when it is illegal everywhere else....... More EPA craziness.

        Then the EPA pollution requirements knock mileage down by 30% to 50%.

        I still dont see why anti-pollution engines should burn so much more gas....I believe it is partly a manufacturer attitude......"burn however you want and let the catalyst fix it".

        The diesel requirements have a 20% penalty in mileage and efficiency. See article in Machine Design (or Design News) recently.
        1601

        Keep eye on ball.
        Hashim Khan

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        • #5
          JF. Most of what you pay is in the form of taxes. We worked it out one day, and here in Illinois when gas was $1.50 a gallon we figured that the gas itself only cost about $0.79. The rest were taxes.
          Any time you control a resource, you can dictate prices. Thats how the near east gets away with it. I've always thought it would be in our best interests to develope another source of fuel.

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          • #6
            MTBE is still in gas in NH as far as I know, the state has a lawsuit to stop it.

            I love the statements about the hollywood actors and the privlidged few who think they know it all for us "peons" but live the high life none the less. Right on target.

            Our gas psice is $1.73 for low grade, which I am forced to use, though the mid grade works better and more efficient in the brides commuter vehicle (don't know why, but get 4.0 MPG more on the mid grade, though 87 is the recommendation). She uses about 7.0 gallons a week at 31 mpg.

            So our local environmental whackos (I am an environmentalist, but also a realist) are very happy about the gas prices being higher, seems they think it will stop us from killing the earth. I was out at the post office im my Ranger (which is my job vehicle, thus I have to have a bit of carrying capacity and 4x4 to get into the campground to get it ready as it is real muddy here). Talking to our local greenies I met there, both about as worthless as anyone I ever knew, and both who never walked further than from the car to the couch to get the remote, or from the car to the picket line for their "cause of the week"...both fairly well off, probably worth three times more than I will make in my lifetime, but digress in a bit of a snit.....

            I got out of my Ranger to drop mail (turned it off of course), and was called to their Caddy Escalade (those big black caddys that are too big to fit in most normal garages, and would suffice as a two bedroom appartment), and given my daily dose (as the mayor of my city) of greenie prop-aganda about our traffic increasing in town, the probable killing of all wildlife on the main drag (most of which is JDB's) the gas prices causing people to drive less, and our local paper mill polluting the earth, and the local trucking house running more trips (business is suddenly good, people are working again)...all the while during the 20 minute diatribe I noticed the Escalade was idling.........

            Of course I noticed, but had to post with wierds notes being on the board.....

            It is probably not the vehicle that irks me, probably not the SUV issue, it is the double standard that people life so blatantly and thow in the face of others that just rips me.

            Yup, do as I say, not as I do......
            CCBW, MAH

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            • #7
              In Mexico, an OPEC partner, I believe gas is still something like $.25. Maybe higher, but not the $1.80 a gallon we have here.

              I know Canada is higher, that England is out of sight compared to America.

              Why don't we build pipe lines in Russia and buy all of their crude? There are many other countries that produce oil outside of OPEC, so lets buy from them.

              Jerry

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              • #8
                The price of regular gas here in Williams Lake, BC is about $2.50 US per US gallon. BUT, 45% of that is tax. The real price of gas is $1.38, BUT, it costs about $2 - $3 to produce a barrel of crude in Saudi Arabia. That barrel sells for $35. It holds 45 gallons. A barrel of good crude can be cracked to about 80% gasoline if the refinery wishes. That is 36 gallons. So, not counting transportation, advertising, profit and tax as well as cost of cracking the real cost of gasoline at today's price of oil is about one dollar per gallon. Did you notice where all the money is going?
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                • #9
                  Just to make you guys feel happy our fuel is around 4.80 UKP per gallon.
                  On todays exchange that's $8.73 but our gallon is a bit larger than the US one.
                  Converted to $ per US gallon that works out at $7.27

                  Most of this is in taxes as our Mr Blair isn't as rich as your Mr Bush

                  Only advantage we have is being a smaller country we don't have to drive as far to get bargains

                  John S.
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                  Sir John , Earl of Bligeport & Sudspumpwater. MBE [ Motor Bike Engineer ] Nottingham England.



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                  • #10
                    $2.09 in Calif.

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                    • #11
                      Hidelly Ho Neighbor,

                      Duh' member dat wefund we'all got, lower taxes too (duh), someabodies gotta pay for da war(s), health care anyone, how'z a'come we have the highest household delinquencies, da'largest credit card debt and even da largest recored bankruptcies in the history of our country, in the last couple'a years. Time to turn down the music, change the channel on televison, put down the brew, slack off the joints and take a look'se outside the closet.

                      -SD:


                      Condolediddily-olensces

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                      • #12
                        Around $0.90/liter or $4.50/imperial gallon
                        Here in Newfoundland.
                        Some of the largest oil reserves in the World are just off our shore here in Newfoundland,but not one (1) liter is refined or used here.All goes to main land Canada.We get pennies in return!!
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                        • #13
                          I've cut back on unessecary trips and will most likely start riding the bike to work once the weather warms up. But to put this into perspective. In 1980 or so when gas first hit a buck a gallon for a national average what would of happened if the price had just kept pace with inflation. I think we'd be looking at 3 bucks a gallon in the US and most likely not batting an eye. On the multiple blends of gas out there that are tailoered to certain localities our local congresscritter (Paul Ryan R.WI) has proposed every year to require the EPA to eliminate the "botique" blends of gas and set a standard nation wide of just one or at the most 10 blends of gas IIRC. It never gets out of commitee. The same goes for his proposal to only allow SS and FICA tax dollars to be used for Social Security and Medicare. Too many politicians in DC are in favor of the status quo. If we really wanted to in this counrty we could have national energy independence. Granted it would require doing some things that some of might not like and somethings that I probably wouldn't like either. But no system is perfect. If I were king the programs we would start to push are
                          1) Increase the funding for research into workable fusion reactors. But I would take the project away from the DOE and the labs like Princeton, Lawrence Livermore and Scandia. I'd give the project to the Navy with the goal of developing something that can fit into the hull of a ship.
                          2) As a back-up I would instruct the DOE to begin construction of a gas cooled pebble bed test fission reactor.
                          3) Increase funding for solar cell efficency research. IIRC the current level of solar cell efficency would require 10,000 square miles of solar cell facilities to produce enough elecrticity for the US's current needs. That's a square 100 miles on a side including all of the access roads and support facilities that would be in the 10,000 square miles.
                          4) Fund a large test Ocean Thermal Power Plant. There was a pilot plant of this type operated off Hawii in the '70s. Basically they are a generating plant that uses the temperature differential between warm surface and cold deep water to cool and expand a working fluid and drive a turbine. A mechanical solar power plant
                          5) Reinstitute the tax deductions for increasing the energy efficancy of private homes
                          These are just some of the things that could be done from a view point of finding a solution to the bind of having our foreign policy being subjected to the political winds that may blow in from foreign shores

                          [This message has been edited by Spin Doctor (edited 03-27-2004).]
                          Forty plus years and I still have ten toes, ten fingers and both eyes. I must be doing something right.

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                          • #14
                            Only advantage we have is being a smaller country we don't have to drive as far to get bargains

                            John S.
                            Here's a picture of John getting the most for his money out of our expensive gas
                            Alistair
                            http://www.snopes.com/photos/lumber.asp
                            Please excuse my typing as I have a form of parkinsons disease

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                            • #15
                              Let all start using grain alcohol and let the farmers make some money.

                              Jerry

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