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  • lazlo
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    Originally posted by Evan View Post
    Check post #22 Robert.
    Well sure, it could be a coordinated conspiracy of the world's governments not to carry the story. Or, more likely, it's just another rumor passed around the gun forums.

    I mean, the list of sites hosting the story is downright hilarious

    http://bit.ly/18ik06w
    Last edited by lazlo; 05-26-2013, 05:10 AM.

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  • Evan
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    Check post #22 Robert.

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  • lazlo
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    Originally posted by Evan View Post
    So, how does the State Department supply Syrian rebels without a paper trail?
    That would be my guess as well -- when 20,000 guns disappear out of an unguarded armory, there's a government involved.

    But I wonder about the legitimacy of the original report. If you Google it, the article shows up on various gun forums, but no mainstream media.

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  • philbur
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    Kuwait has a GDP per capita similar to the USA, why do you attempt to draw a comaprison between Kuwait and the Phillipines, which has a GDP per capita that is only 5% of either of the former.

    Phil

    Originally posted by Dr Stan View Post
    If you ever spend any time in the 3rd world you'll soon discover occurrences like this one are not rare. During my 2nd deployment we were anchored out in Subic Bay, PI and locals climbed the anchor chain and stole the mooring lines. We're talking 3 or 4 inch dia rope here and no one saw a thing including everyone who was on watch. Keep in mind this was on a US Navy ship.

    BTW, I'm not trying to say nothing like this happens in the US or other industrialized countries, but when you have people existing on the equivalent of a US dollar a day some of them will seek out any way they can to put food on the table.

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  • Evan
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    Disinformation is information that is untrue but plausible and calculated to produce confusion intended to cloud the issue. By providing alternate stories that cannot be verified any more than the original story the entire issue becomes diluted and with no certainty what the correct story may be.

    A good example is what is called a "cover story" where the nature of the story is fiction.
    Last edited by Evan; 05-25-2013, 01:22 PM.

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  • SteveF
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    Originally posted by Zero_Divide View Post
    ..................

    Look at Afganistan.
    They were so hellbent on helping taliban make Russians go away they didnt notice it wasnt friends they were dealing with.

    ...
    Eh regimes fight- regular people die.
    Sure we did. Ever hear of the expression "The enemy of my enemy is my friend"?

    Didn't like Stalin in the slightest but considered Hitler to be the far bigger threat.

    Sometimes life isn't simple.

    Steve

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  • The Artful Bodger
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    Originally posted by Zero_Divide View Post
    Look at Afganistan.
    They were so hellbent on helping taliban make Russians go away they didnt notice it wasnt friends they were.dealing with.

    I am not sure that is quite right as the Taleban were not formed until some time after the Soviets left Afghanistan. The US gave assistance to the mujahideen who after the Russians left fell into various warlord factions that fought among themselves and failed to establish a government of Afghanistan meanwhile the whole country fell under heel of the various warlords and their private armies.

    The Taleban were formed in Pakistan and entered Afghanistan where they fought the warlords eventually controlling 95% of the country, the remainder being held by the surviving warlords who were formed into the Northern Alliance. The Northern Alliance fought against the Taleban during the coalition invasion of the country and some of them took places in the new Afghan government.

    Then again there was Osama bin Laden and his family and followers....

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  • Zero_Divide
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    Hah Kuwait.
    I bet those guns will turn up in the arms of siryan "freedom fighters".

    See, US can not send any weapons openly, but if they got stolen and somehow made their way through that would be OK.

    Ohh boy everybody hates Assad so much they go through this to help their own enemies.
    How stupid is that US is unseating more or less stable secular regimes to replace them with radical islamists who will never embrace US as a friendly nation?

    Look at Afganistan.
    They were so hellbent on helping taliban make Russians go away they didnt notice it wasnt friends they were.dealing with.

    ...
    Eh regimes fight- regular people die.

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  • Guido
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    Disinformation--------That's like distransparency: The holding up of a yellow plastic curtain or anything, to prevent a camera weilder from recording the actions of paramedics/police while handling a guy laying on the tarmac.

    Sorta like the first law of nurse: If it's not written down, it didn't happen.

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  • Evan
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    There is a self limiting factor that helps prevent serious problems from following such missing materials. That factor is those kinds of items tend to be a very good way to get dead if you try to trade in them. Anybody interested in such contraband is much more likely to kill you rather than pay you. It is also very difficult to arrange payment while still remaining completely anonymous. That is becoming more difficult by the day.

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  • flylo
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    I had a customer that was retired from a high level job with the US goverment, I think the State Dept after the iron curtain fell. He could tell you how much radioactive material, weapons, etc was "missing" or unaccounted for at any one time in the world. A lot in the US but I guess it was a free for all in the communest countries & the black market. What he told was most spooky & scary to say the least.

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  • wierdscience
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    Originally posted by Carld View Post
    Hey Evan, my first thought was, what an easy way for the government to give the rebel fighters arms and ammo without anyone knowing. I wonder if they allowed any shoulder fired rocket launchers to be carried off as well.
    That's what went missing in Lybia,15-25,000 shoulder fired missles.It's what some believe those Seals who were killed along with Amb Stevens were looking for.


    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/nightm...ry?id=14610199

    http://breakingdefense.com/2011/10/0...-general-says/
    Last edited by wierdscience; 05-24-2013, 09:32 AM.

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  • vpt
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    Originally posted by Evan View Post

    Disinformation?

    Wrong information? misinterpreted information?

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  • Evan
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    The major networks won't carry it if they have been "asked" not to. The State Dept very recently "removed" the CAD plans for the printable pistol AND every other cad plan on the website. Seems to me the First Amendment is in a bit of trouble. The good thing is that the internet cannot be controlled by anyone. It was explicitly designed without any central control. DARPA's idea was that if there is no central control you cannot take it out. Like knives, there are two edges to that.

    Buddy of mine informed me it is misinformation. 20,000 rounds of M16 ammo were stolen not guns. He said no armory holds 20,000 M16s at one time.
    Disinformation?
    Last edited by Evan; 05-24-2013, 01:49 AM.

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  • flylo
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    Very well could be true. If you do a search it comes up a 100+ times but not by a major news network. Seems odd it wasn't on CNN, or others. As high as ammo is it does make more sense.
    Originally posted by vpt View Post
    Buddy of mine informed me it is misinformation. 20,000 rounds of M16 ammo were stolen not guns. He said no armory holds 20,000 M16s at one time.

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