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  • why can't items for sale be posted in *any* HSM forums?

    Is it because it's evil?

    What if someone was looking for something? Wisdom advises me against pointing out the obvious benefits to the seller (they're as evil as what they're selling apparently). No I myself don't think the forums should be littered with for sale posts, but some of us home shoppers have and need things. You're forced to go elsewhere to find or sell something.

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    As you may be able to tell from the logos above each page, this forum is hosted by Village Press ( http://www.villagepress.com/ ). They are the publishers of The Home Shop Machinist, Machinists Workshop, and Digital Machinist magazines. Among their sources of income are classified ads in those magazines. I am not an employee of Village Press, but I can speculate that they may consider providing free advertisement space here is against their interest. This is a perfectly reasonable thing and the members of this forum can appreciate and should respect this as it it their income that provides the forum in the first place.

    They are willing to talk about it and there have been some discussions about some kind or free, non commercial ads for private individuals to sell and buy from each other, but to date nothing has been done on this. A search of the archive files here should reveal these discussions.

    If you want to post ads for free, there are other boards that do make provision for this. One such board is Practical Machinist ( http://www.practicalmachinist.com/ ). They have a forum just for posting ads, even commercial ones. And there are other machinist boards that allow such posts.
    Paul A.

    Make it fit.
    You can't win and there is a penalty for trying!

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    • #3
      [QUOTE=Paul Alciatore;855823]If you want to post ads for free,.....QUOTE]
      The OP made no mention of wanting to post ads for free. Sending forum users to other forums unrelated to HSM does not sound like it would help HSM any.
      Why isn't there a buy and sell section of this forum where paid advertisers to HSM show the same items. If someone doesn't notice the magazine add (can't do a search) and then goes to another of the suggested forums and buys another sellers item there after a search how does that help HSM or it's advertisers?

      I think someone at HSM isn't thinking this through.
      "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel"

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      • #4
        Why are you asking this question of forum members? We all, (presumably,) read and understood the terms when we signed up and I expect you at least did the first part, (read,) but apparently are having difficulty with the second part, (understanding.) I suggest you ask George, and perhaps he will explain it to you using simpler words. THE RULES ARE THERE AND THEY ARE THE RULES-FULL STOP.
        Duffy, Gatineau, Quebec

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        • #5
          I too would like to see a For Sale/Wanted sub-forum, but as others have already pointed out it is not permitted. Since there are other venues such as Craig's List and FleaBay its not like we do not have options.

          I have also gleaned from some of George's posts he is not in favor of an absolute ban, but it is not just his decision. He's also more or less said there are higher priority issues that have his attention. Now if I've misstated anything my apologizes to George.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Duffy View Post
            THE RULES ARE THERE AND THEY ARE THE RULES-FULL STOP.
            Jeez! Can't question the "RULES". Lighten up there.
            "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel"

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            • #7
              Originally posted by jep24601 View Post
              Jeez! Can't question the "RULES". Lighten up there.
              If you really think its bad here, just try PM.

              BTW, I suspect the reaction is due to the multiple times the subject has been raised.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Dr Stan View Post
                If you really think its bad here, just try PM.

                BTW, I suspect the reaction is due to the multiple times the subject has been raised.
                PM's bad? The "other" home machinist site will ban you for life for questioning how the site is run. Sieg heil! I find this site and PM very friendly.

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                • #9
                  Paul in post #2 above pretty well sums it up. I am not an employee of VP, but work for them as an author.

                  You may notice that I am selling electronics kits for the Magnetic Clock series that appeared in Digital Machinist in one of the sticky posts at the top of the General forum. This is one of those rare exceptions to the rule because it has been demonstrated to sell magazines and subscriptions to Digital Machinist, and has measurably benefitted Village Press.
                  Weston Bye - Author, The Mechatronist column, Digital Machinist magazine
                  ~Practitioner of the Electromechanical Arts~

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                  • #10
                    I'm with Duffy. This question has been raised so many times here it has become tiresome. ...and the asker in this case has been a member since Feb, 2005.

                    The "why" doesn't really matter, other than to Village Press. They provide the gold - they make the rules!

                    I sometimes question the notion that "...there are no stupid questions." Questioning the decision of VP, whose major source of revenue is derived from ads placed by large commercial tool vendors, to disallow private ads which might compete with those is ridiculous.

                    Imagine asking your local new car dealer if you can park your old used car in his lot with a "For Sale" sign in the window...! ".... but why not?"

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                    • #11
                      Thank you. lynnl. The used car example is excellent.

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                      • #12
                        Paid ads? Again, I do not work for Village Press, but as long as I am speculating on their defense, I would think that they have limited time and, like all good companies, they must pick their priorities. It would take time and resources to set this up in a small company and they may have other coals in the fire at the present time.

                        I was going to say that this would certainly be a small income stream, but considering the power of the internet, I take that back. In fact, it could easily become a large stream and even out pace the magazine ads. They might then consider closing the magazines due to lack of ads there. How's dem apples?

                        I do know that George has said that they have considered the subject.


                        By the way, they DO have paid ads on the site. Just not in the various forums. Many of them are not seen as they are easy to filter out using your browser's settings. If you want to advertise here, just call Village Press. Here is their number from their main web site:

                        800-773-7798

                        Local: 231-946-3712

                        I am sure they will be delighted to take your advertising order.
                        Paul A.

                        Make it fit.
                        You can't win and there is a penalty for trying!

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                        • #13
                          Lots of forums only allow tailgate, used, NON COMMERCIAL type ads. How would someone
                          selling a a damn change gear for a no longer supported lathe compete with the mag ads.

                          Or how about a wanted section ... your gonna pop a blood vessel trying to think up a conflict there.

                          There are a bunch of guys out there and here .. that have older, no longer supported equipment ..
                          and would love a chance to throw out there, things they could use.

                          I really don't think this is "rocking any boat" .. this is just called progression, or logical evolvement.

                          Maybe the subject comes up a lot FOR A REASON ... and nope .. I will not move to
                          Switzerland .. I like it here.
                          John Titor, when are you.

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                          • #14
                            Paid ads are available in the forum. Talk to George.
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                            • #15
                              Lots of forums only allow tailgate, used, NON COMMERCIAL type ads. How would someone
                              selling a a damn change gear for a no longer supported lathe compete with the mag ads.

                              Or how about a wanted section ... your gonna pop a blood vessel trying to think up a conflict there.

                              There are a bunch of guys out there and here .. that have older, no longer supported equipment ..
                              and would love a chance to throw out there, things they could use.
                              If you think such an ad section would somehow be self policing you are dreaming. It would very quickly fill with every possible sort of slightly disguised advertising for everything from people running garage shops to porn. Such a section would need a full time moderator. This is a very popular forum with a huge silent user base that never posts. It is a very attractive place to post ads because the users here are most likely to be heavy users of online shopping. This forum is not likely a profit centre and that makes it a direct target of the bean counters. Accountants just hate business activities that cannot justify their existence with cold hard numbers.
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