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  • Any Adhesive Experts Here .

    I now have what looks like, the right type of belt for my smart and brown 1024 lathe

    maker Forbo Siegling, brand EXTREMULTUS

    As you can see I've got plenty of chances to get this right,
    Roll is 25 foot

    Problem is, I don't know what type of adhesive to use

    The belt is a multilayer leather and nylon/polyamide construction


    ..I spoke to the makers of the belt ..they say some obscure product called k2000 cement for the polyamide and pva for the leather .

    after applying k2000 to the belt,it has to be clamped and heated to 115 degrees c for 30 mins ..and left to cool down, still clamped, for 12 hours.


    I've searched the net ..and came up with too many results on alternatives ..
    So need an expert on adhesives to to point me out an inexpensive (CHEAP)..sort of vulcanising adhesive that acts the same as k2000, I'd like ..A brand name, that I can find on UK ebay








    all the best.markj
    Last edited by aboard_epsilon; 10-18-2013, 11:23 AM.

  • #2
    There's this site:
    http://www.thistothat.com/

    Dunno if it's accurate or even complete, but it's damn clever.

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    • #3
      That's a serious piece of belt for a 10x24 lathe.

      Is this an option?



      http://www.mcmaster.com/#catalog/119/1059/=ozojy9
      Last edited by winchman; 10-18-2013, 12:06 PM.
      Any products mentioned in my posts have been endorsed by their manufacturer.

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      • #4
        http://www.leatherdrivebelts.com/

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        • #5
          I believe guys here using serpentine belts had good luck with Liquid Nails Plastic Adhesive in the squeeze tube available at most home centers.

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          • #6
            Some googling and some knowledge suggest that K2000 is a resorcinol based glue: http://www.forbo-siegling.com/pages/...ment_(USA).pdf
            There appears to exist a dap weldwood resorcinol wood glue. Some forums suggest that epoxy has largely replaced resourcinol in boat building however it looks like something about resorcinol may be better
            at sticking to polyamide than other things. Hope this is mildly useful.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by ckelloug View Post
              Some googling and some knowledge suggest that K2000 is a resorcinol based glue: http://www.forbo-siegling.com/pages/...ment_(USA).pdf
              There appears to exist a dap weldwood resorcinol wood glue. Some forums suggest that epoxy has largely replaced resourcinol in boat building however it looks like something about resorcinol may be better
              at sticking to polyamide than other things. Hope this is mildly useful.
              sort of , but I have other things that I would want to be an expert at ..glue isn't on my list ..


              I did spend a few hours looking for it ..and that safety data sheet pdf kept coming up nothing else.

              other than this


              http://www.forbo-siegling.com/pages/...t-belts_en.pdf

              shows the heated clamping equipment on the right side of the page .

              which I can knock up with a domestic iron.

              wonder if "solvent weld" will do it ..that's the stuff plumbers put on pipes ,it actually melts the plastics together.

              all the best.markj

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              • #8
                Originally posted by winchman View Post
                That's a serious piece of belt for a 10x24 lathe.

                Is this an option?



                http://www.mcmaster.com/#catalog/119/1059/=ozojy9
                That would be my choice as well. Have two such belts running on an Chas Allen drill press, belt will wear out before the lacing does and it is not noisy at all.

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                • #9
                  This page http://www.print-partner.eu/Feeder-belts,k28414,en shows the iron and the adhesive and its intended belts. They are used in printing press "feeder belts" aka "feeder tapes" You want Adhesive for Feeder Belts

                  There would be printing press parts suppliers in your country that have this. The name of the product just escapes me but I would have it on a memory stick full of parts drawings somewhere and could report back in a few days.

                  I have seen it on ebay and it really works.
                  "...do you not think you have enough machines?"

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Davidhcnc View Post
                    This page http://www.print-partner.eu/Feeder-belts,k28414,en shows the iron and the adhesive and its intended belts. They are used in printing press "feeder belts" aka "feeder tapes" You want Adhesive for Feeder Belts

                    There would be printing press parts suppliers in your country that have this. The name of the product just escapes me but I would have it on a memory stick full of parts drawings somewhere and could report back in a few days.

                    I have seen it on ebay and it really works.
                    OK David I await eagerly for your reply in a few days time .

                    why do you speak of my country ..when it says next to your name : UK

                    all the best.markj

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                    • #11
                      I cut and scarfed the ends of a serpentine then glued with Crazy Glue gel on my SB 9" 1 1/2 years ago and its still holding I do release the tension when I'm done for the day.

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                      • #12
                        I have a Smart and Brown lathe, when the old belt died i rang a conveyer belt company, they turned up with some belt, synthetic both sides they cut a wedge both ends applied gule clamped and cooked it for maybe 10 min , job done. I dont slacken it off when not in use. by the time you buy a 50year supply of the glue and the cooker and the gizmo that cut the tapers you would be way over the $100 i paid 55 quid in your country , he had to travel 20 miles each way too !
                        My neighbours diary says I have boundary issues

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                        • #13
                          I have a 16" South Bend Lathe and just recently installed a new belt. Just want to say, stay with a good quality leather belt and a alligator claw fastener.Serpentinee belts are a waist of time energy and money. There is no good glue available to glue them and you will have to glue them with ways and length ways. I had a belt so i was all set but if you need to buy one there is a seller in Lansing,Ill . He will make one for you If you need to figure out how long you need it let me know i will explain it to you

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by GEP View Post
                            I have a 16" South Bend Lathe and just recently installed a new belt. Just want to say, stay with a good quality leather belt and a alligator claw fastener.Serpentinee belts are a waist of time energy and money. There is no good glue available to glue them and you will have to glue them with ways and length ways. I had a belt so i was all set but if you need to buy one there is a seller in Lansing,Ill . He will make one for you If you need to figure out how long you need it let me know i will explain it to you
                            The belt has to be glued up in situ ..
                            The pulleys are crowned

                            There is no tensioner ..and it has to be exact .

                            The tension is put on it by tightening the gearbox down on its mountings....onto a flat plate on which it is mounted...you cant have it tensioned fully and the gearbox not sitting on the flat plate .

                            So you have to, somehow, judge the amount of stretch the belt has, when cutting it to size.

                            and the top speed is 2500 rpm

                            all the best.markj
                            Last edited by aboard_epsilon; 10-19-2013, 10:29 AM.

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                            • #15
                              Mark -

                              I think some of the contributors have got the impression that because we are talking about a flat belt drive that it must be for an old slow running lathe. Not so in this case. The Smart & Brown 1024 has many design features that are 'old school' but they are taken to the limit - the flat belt drives are an example. I get the impression that the designers were determined to do things their way no matter the cost to the purchaser or the user. The non adjustable spindle drive belt is a case in point. The lack of tapered gibs is another. I have a 1024 and at times I think it is one of the best small lathes ever, and then some strange feature makes me think - why did they do it like that?

                              Please post the results of your belt repair - good or bad. I am sure I am not alone in wanting to know how to do this before it is my time to make the same repair.
                              Bill

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