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  • #31
    Originally posted by sasquatch View Post
    Nice post Jim, i remember your'e post from before after checking it.
    Best to you and your'e family in 2014.
    Thanks much sasquatch, your response means a lot.

    I was just browsing my old post again and found this:

    Originally posted by EddyCurr View Post
    My vote is that the missus deserves a tip of the cap, as well. For that day,
    and (I am just guessing here) a few others, too.

    If I was to find myself in a tough spot, I'd consider myself lucky to have you
    in it with me.
    I already consider myself lucky to have found this forum and to be able to have so many of you in it with me.

    Has there ever been talk of a yearly picnic or some such get together? I sure would be tickled to be a part of that! Just think of how we could talk of how bad/good we have it.
    Last edited by jhe.1973; 01-01-2014, 01:23 AM.
    Best wishes to ya’ll.



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    • #32
      I believe there is a way to achieve the peace of a more rustic and self-sufficient lifestyle, but also benefit from the security, companionship, and shared workload of having others nearby. I have lived in, and enjoyed, a "commune" of sorts, although it was also an accredited educational institution and had a board of directors and other formal structure. And I have been actively seeking others who are of similar mind to come together and create an intentional community (and ideally a network thereof), where individuals, couples, and small families may have their own small private dwellings, but mostly there would be a lot of sharing of resources, wealth, labor, and enjoyment of life. I know a lot of people who are now "empty nesters" who are struggling on their own or perhaps with a spouse, trying to maintain a house that is much too large for their needs, but are reluctant to leave what they have known and loved for so long.

      You can read more about my ideas on my website, and you may also want to look into the various forms of intentional communities that exist or are forming in many areas. My idea is to purchase or establish a campground, similar to many KOAs, which have small, cozy cabins (or "Kabins" as they "kall" them), and centrally located shower and toilet facilities and a commercial kitchen and game room and other amenities that promote sharing as well as efficiency. One could also choose to live in a fully equipped camping trailer or motor home, or build a small home on the property as desired (and approved by consensus).

      This does seem to be a rather nice group of people, mostly guys, probably most middle-age to senior citizens, with many common and valuable abilities and interests. I am also a long-time member of the Dogs-n-Harmony forum, which we sometimes describe as a world-wide pack, and that group consists mostly of women (maybe 90%) with a strong common interest in dogs and animals as well as many other things that are good and wholesome. We had a "pack meet" in September of 2012 which consisted of myself and two couples and six dogs, and was originally going to be about 10 people and 20 dogs. We stayed at the Boone, NC KOA for three days and had a good time. There were also other small "pack meets" in South Africa, Europe, and perhaps Australia.

      I suggest that we plan one or more meetings like this for some of the folks here, as well as having them open to some of the dog group and other interested and compatible people. I always attend the Western MD Bluesfest in Hagerstown around the end of May and stay for a long weekend at the KOA. Anyone else is welcome to come there at that time and get together to some extent. Then there is the Threshermen's Reunion at the Rough and Tumble museum in Kinzers, PA, toward the end of August, and that would be a cool place for machinist types to see old steam engines and tractors and construction equipment. It's also in the heart of Amish country and we could all learn a lot about self-sufficiency and extended community from their example.

      I'd be willing to travel anywhere within a 200-300 mile radius of Baltimore to meet up with others who want to talk about machining or engineering or technology or just to experience a simpler life at a campground. In some cases I might be willing to take a longer trip, even to fly somewhere like San Diego or whatever. I can set up a meeting at the Hagerstown KOA to coincide with the Bluesfest, as a starting point for East (Right) Coasters, and hopefully others can volunteer to set up similar venues in other areas. It's a start, at least, and fairly inexpensive and "safe". Forums are great, but I think actual personal meetings can be so much more, especially to those who still appreciate what was good about the "good old days".

      Here's a short video of the pack meet at Boone:
      Paul , P S Technology, Inc. and MrTibbs
      USA Maryland 21030


      • #33
        The good old days

        Some years ago I heard two old men having a conversation:

        "Remember when a beer was a nickel? And you could go to the movies for a nickel? And you could get something to eat at the automat for a nickel?"

        "Yeah, I remember. We didn't have a nickel."


        • #34
          When you want to do high speed work, do you have to brick the camel?
          Originally posted by John Stevenson View Post
          Easy ?

          EASY ??

          Do you know how hard it is to keep this camel on a treadle machine without it biting you ??


          • #35
            David - It's called progress. Going on since people started to walk on this earth. Our generation thinks we have it easy compared to the previous generation who believed they had it easy when compared to the previous generation and so on and on.
            There is on thing however that our generation has experienced that no other generation can claim: the drastic increase of inventions during our life time.
            For thousands of years people used horses to help them get around. Our generation was the lucky generation to experience the transfer from horse power to automobiles to airplanes to rocket power. We advanced more in one generation than all generations before us. One thing remains to be mastered by us and so far we are not doing a good job of it - learn how to use all this progress to serve us in a peaceful and responsible way.
            Thanks for a nice post.
            Last edited by Juergenwt; 08-21-2014, 04:37 PM.


            • #36
              Ah the good old telephone systems....

              Life on a small island (19S 170W), making a call, only 40 years ago.

              [turns handle and picks up phone]
              [phone operator] "Hello John, how are you getting on with Cheryl?"
              [me] "Very nicely thank you Moka and she sends her regards"
              [phone operator] "Ah, thats sweet, she is a nice girl. Now who would you like to talk to?"
              [me] "Thanks, put me through to Harvey please"
              [phone operator] "Oh you wont get Harvey right now, he went past here an hour ago heading towards The Club or he might have been sneaking up to Mary's place and today is Tuesday which is Muriel's cards bridge club night so either way he wont be home until late."

              The telephone operator had an office at the cross roads in the middle of the village and she knew everything that happened and where everyone was on the entire island.
              Last edited by The Artful Bodger; 08-21-2014, 04:59 PM.


              • #37
                just read this thread and all I can think of now is this.




                • #38
                  Originally posted by Juergenwt View Post
                  There is on thing however that our generation has experienced that no other generation can claim: the drastic increase of inventions during our life time.
                  For thousands of years people used horses to help them get around. Our generation was the lucky generation to experience the transfer from horse power to automobiles to airplanes to rocket power. We advanced more in one generation than all generations before us. .
                  If any of that is true then where the hell is my flying car!!!!!
                  The shortest distance between two points is a circle of infinite diameter.

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                  Southwestern Ontario. Canada


                  • #39
                    The saddest thing is there are many places in the world where people still resolve their differences by going to war.I wonder if someday instead of spending hundreds or thousands of billions on weapons the world eventually wakes up and comes together to resolve our differences in a peaceful way.Think of all the good things we could do with all the weapon money.We could virtually eradicate world poverty and not have to worry about our sons and grandsons going off to die in terrible un popular illegal wars. Surely everyone agrees war brings nothing but missery for everyone, no one wins , as the truth is that everyone loses in the end.Perhaps the imperfection of mankind simply will not allow this, I DON'T KNOW but I have never met anyone decent person who would not rather live in peace and bring an end to this pereptual madness .And yet we still allow a small number of people (who don't take part in war themselves or allow their own family memebers to,) yet they can if they wish force our children to go and die. For example how can it be that several million people took to the streets here in the U K prior to the iraqi war to demand to our government that we did not get involved in war in iraqAnd yet Tony blair and his cohorts even realising no one in britain wanted this very unpopular war still defiantly went ahead and started what turned out to be a nightmare for hundreds of thousand of people many children etc.I dream of the day when such a small group of politicians are not able to over ride the voice of the people (that surely is not democracy?) And what is happening now in that region was well and truly many times pointed out to those warmongers by the many experts of the day, they were all warned and still they went ahead.Alistair
                    Please excuse my typing as I have a form of parkinsons disease


                    • #40
                      You said it, Alistair. How can it be that millions of people who would be peaceful are led by the very few that would be warmongers. What was that song by Donovan- Universal Soldier- 'without him all this killing can't go on'-

                      Soldiers have long been teenagers, and pre-teens as well. What a tragedy.

                      On another note, I've finally figured out how you can walk to school and back and it's uphill both ways. When thousands of people walk to the same school, the ground sinks a bit. Then it's uphill to get out of there. Wha- only took me 60 years to figure that out
                      I seldom do anything within the scope of logical reason and calculated cost/benefit, etc- I'm following my passion-


                      • #41
                        Yes... we have it easy.

                        Take, for instance, that notion that you can, instead of doing the same stupid thing over and over again for a significant portion of your life, type your stupid question into a little box and, as if by magic, un-stupid people from all over the world jump in to set you straight. Yes, all this typing and reading takes time, but it's usually time that used to be wasted watching the stupifyingly-boring box we used to call the 'TV'. If you were unlucky enough to be exposed to that during daytime hours then you'd know how truly horrifying an experience it was. Yes, "Daytime TV" is on the list of things best entirely forgotten about.

                        Honestly, I had it good growing up. I'm old enough and grew up rural enough that I saw what it was like to go without. However, my father was a smart, inventive, and capable man. WE always had indoor plumbing and OUR home was always warm. Many of our neighbours didn't make either. At our house, the toilet flushed even if my father had to tank the water in and keep it from freezing with a stove.

                        But, I think the most amazing thing, for me, is the drop in tool pricing. My father never had a power drill. He had access to a drillpress at work, but I don't remember him ever doing it at home. He had torches and a welder and did amazing things with them, but we were poor and powertools were too expensive. He was a journeyman mechanic by trade (originally heavy duty) and his hand tools were gold. I'm surprised he didn't kill us the way we treated them. I think through a lot of history, a man was defined by the tools he had. You followed your father in his career because you inherited his tools as much as his skills. I have enough tools that serious tradesmen of even 40 years ago would turn green with envy. I use them to make... let's say "little of value." Those tools were not exactly a financial hardship to acquire... just hobby purchases. I'm not anywhere near rich, by national standards, and the tools don't amount to much compared to income.

                        Yes, we have it very easy,



                        • #42
                          Like many viewpoints this one depends on the person's personal view and what they take into consideration. In some ways we have it easy, other ways very difficult. My grandfather for one led a relatively easy life in some respects as did many others of his generation. Despite a depression during his 20s, he did fairly well for himself and enjoyed life bc of a lack of bills and taxes. He didnt have much, but he also didnt need much. The only bill due on the family farm until power was connected in the late 40s were the taxes, and with almost no government or gov programs in that day the taxes were pretty ridiculously low. So long as they were paid and they raised enough food for the family + some to barter, he could pick jobs in various industries (or not) or travel as it interested him, and he did both regularly bc he wanted to. Yes, attending the state fair was a weeklong trip rather than the day trip it is now, but they had the time and did go. No, they didnt have power or the internet, but they also slept much better/longer every night and were overall in better physical condition.

                          As I write this I feel stuck in the rat race. Ive worked late hours many time such as tonight, I have a cell phone and a laptop that travels to-from work with me and Im expected to handle important obligations at odd hours as such. If I quit this morning I'll still have a power, internet, cell phone, insurance, water, and NG bills due, not to mention the bills I actually need to survive like food and shelter, and I certainly cannot afford a farm to meet those basic needs myself in this day and age.....yup, Ive got it EASY, I'm a slave to my existence.
                          Last edited by justanengineer; 08-22-2014, 04:44 AM.
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                          • #43
                            Human beings were designed to overcome.
                            We at at our best when driven by need and under-supplied and under-equiped.

                            Individuals and the collective, both deteriorate at a rate that is directly proportional
                            to a lack of obsticals and lack of exposure to even life-threatening conditions.

                            Like many animal species that are kept in a zoo, or even a temporary santuary,
                            this easy lifestyle leads to a corrosion of our inner workings and a dulling
                            of our receptiveness to our surroundings. The outlook is bleak.


                            • #44
                              Those folks from before, compared to whom we have it easy......... they had it easy compared to people before them.

                              You needn't go back many generations in my family to find folks who had dirt floors in their "houses".
                              CNC machines only go through the motions.

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                              • #45
                                We have it easy and I wouldn't want it any other way. The good old days weren't that good.
                                The shortest distance between two points is a circle of infinite diameter.

                                Bluewater Model Engineering Society at

                                Southwestern Ontario. Canada