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  • mattthemuppet
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    damn, sucks to hear stuff like that Alistair. As they say, you can choose your friends but you can't choose your family. I have cousins on my father's side that didn't even wait for his brother to be in the ground before they started ransacking his house for cash and valuables. I'm glad to say that I haven't seen them for so long I can't even remember what they look like.

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  • Alistair Hosie
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    I have given stuff away all my life and I got srewed for my generosity. As an old friend said people take your kindness for softness.I found that to be true then I had eventually to waken up to the fact that I was being fleeced by those I thought were family and friends . I heard through the grapevine what my mother and sister were saying about me and Bronwen and bragged to my cousin etc how I would always give them what the wanted .So I stopped giving them money overnight, and I never heard a word from them again til I found out that my mother had died. My sister is very much alive and treats me like I have the plague . My mother said some particularly nasty things re my wife behind our back despite my wife always being extremely good to her.I decided then to have nothing more to do with them.Anyone who asks me for money etc in the future gets sweet F all which is what they deserve I have been srewed far too often to care about those bums sorry.I look after my three sons and my grand children daughter in law and Bronwen now and have felt much better since.If you all give and really believe that those people will think about the good dead you done for them forever more dream on it doesn't happen in the real world I feel a complete fool for being so blind in the past and am much better for the riddance of those leeches and paracytes Alistair

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  • mattthemuppet
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    I don't think think there's any point trying to divine why people do one thing or another - they have a right to their opinions and as long as they're not inflammatory or offensive leave them to it. It's more important to have the confidence in oneself and ones opinions than to worry about the rightness of others.

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  • PStechPaul
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    Yes, sorry, I got a bit carried away with those comments. But it does seem that some people do not even believe in altruism and are suspicious of those who do. I was just trying to explain why there have been such diverse comments about giving something freely and trying to hang onto some sort of ownership or control over what has been given.

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  • J. Randall
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    Originally posted by PStechPaul View Post
    Interesting replies in this thread. I can understand the disappointment and even anger if I would give something to someone and found out that it was abused or sold for beer money or trashed, but then again it IS a gift and worrying about its eventual disposition is rather counterproductive. I have given away some electronic equipment such as an antique HP signal generator to someone who was going to use it in some sort of multimedia show featuring a 1950s retro theme, and in return he gave me a somewhat junky electric guitar and loaned me his small amplifier. When he later came by to take back the amp, he told me that the project was abandoned and he didn't know what became of the electronic equipment. It made me sad to think it may have been trashed, but with some effort I "let it go" so that it no longer bothered me.

    Some of the more negative replies remind me of those who consider themselves conservatives (or libertarians), versus those who are liberals or progressives. The conservatives seem to be overly concerned about money, accumulated material wealth, what is earned by hard work, and lamentations about progressive taxation being equivalent to stealing. They are also extremely critical of governmental "handouts" such as welfare, Social Security, Medicare, and similar programs, and call for strict accounting and requirements for welfare recipients to assure that none of it is wasted on what they consider luxuries.

    Liberals, OTOH, seem less concerned by such preoccupation with materialistic concerns, and look more at the more emotional and spiritual affects of publicly funded largesse. They recognize that keeping the general public healthy, happy, and monetarily wealthy enough to buy what they need (and even what might be considered luxuries) is important for the general "welfare" of the people as proscribed in the Constitution, and since they spend most of what they receive, it is actually beneficial to the economy AND to the capitalists who oppose such programs and want to keep ever more wealth locked away in their bank accounts and portfolios where it does little good except for other wealthy individuals.

    See the discussion here: http://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums...-125193p9.html

    and here: http://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums...107026p54.html
    You are liable to get this thread locked, best to keep your politics to yourself here.
    James

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  • flylo
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    It's like motocross, if you don't fall down once in a while your not going fast enough & yes I've got burned a couple times. Once I gave a friend a hit & miss engine he had to have to restore & promptly sold for $800. Then I was given a nice big Bridgeport with DRO & power feed which I was going to give someone who I thought was down on his luck & needed it who promptly demanded a new vice, new collets, vfd & so on then stole my mig welder. You never know for sure.

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  • danlb
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    Jim, the sentiments in the OP are great. It's nice that you are thinking of others.

    I don't give away much, but when I do it's always a 100% gift, no strings attached. When I give a person something, it's with the hopes that it will somehow add to their lives. If the way it helps them is to sell it and buy beer, then so be it.

    I'm blessed in that I have more than I need. I try to spread it around now and then.


    Dan

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  • mattthemuppet
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    ooh, I really wouldn't start wandering down that path Paul. Therein lies no joy or happiness of any sort.

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  • PStechPaul
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    Interesting replies in this thread. I can understand the disappointment and even anger if I would give something to someone and found out that it was abused or sold for beer money or trashed, but then again it IS a gift and worrying about its eventual disposition is rather counterproductive. I have given away some electronic equipment such as an antique HP signal generator to someone who was going to use it in some sort of multimedia show featuring a 1950s retro theme, and in return he gave me a somewhat junky electric guitar and loaned me his small amplifier. When he later came by to take back the amp, he told me that the project was abandoned and he didn't know what became of the electronic equipment. It made me sad to think it may have been trashed, but with some effort I "let it go" so that it no longer bothered me.

    Some of the more negative replies remind me of those who consider themselves conservatives (or libertarians), versus those who are liberals or progressives. The conservatives seem to be overly concerned about money, accumulated material wealth, what is earned by hard work, and lamentations about progressive taxation being equivalent to stealing. They are also extremely critical of governmental "handouts" such as welfare, Social Security, Medicare, and similar programs, and call for strict accounting and requirements for welfare recipients to assure that none of it is wasted on what they consider luxuries.

    Liberals, OTOH, seem less concerned by such preoccupation with materialistic concerns, and look more at the more emotional and spiritual affects of publicly funded largesse. They recognize that keeping the general public healthy, happy, and monetarily wealthy enough to buy what they need (and even what might be considered luxuries) is important for the general "welfare" of the people as proscribed in the Constitution, and since they spend most of what they receive, it is actually beneficial to the economy AND to the capitalists who oppose such programs and want to keep ever more wealth locked away in their bank accounts and portfolios where it does little good except for other wealthy individuals.

    See the discussion here: http://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums...-125193p9.html

    and here: http://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums...107026p54.html

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  • flylo
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    I don't understand that either. Once I gave a friend a motorcycle, he enjoyed it for a few years & asked if I wanted it back or what he sold it for as he was going to upgrade. I told him it was a gift not a loan so I didn't want anything. I normally give to people who don't ask but I see a need or young people getting started or people down on their luck.

    Originally posted by doctordoctor View Post
    I'm just curious..why is it when people give stuff away they dont want it sold? I've never understood that.

    I've given things to people that couldn't afford it, such as turbos to broke kids who wanted to upgrade their car. Its never occured to me that I wouldn't want them to sell it. Why not? Sell it and buy something you'd rather have. Or use it for awhile, then sell it. Eventually it ends up being used by someone, so whats the difference?

    Its even more important with machining tools. The real value you are giving someone when you give them a TOOL that would normally be expensive is that they can experiment with it for free. The value of the tool is sort of secondary. The last thing you want to do is make it so that if they learn that another tool is more appropriate or that they have no use for the tool, that now they can't sell it and get something that makes more sense. Then the tool really might as well have been thrown in the trash because it will just sit there unused.

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  • Alistair Hosie
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    If it makes you feel good whey not send me your stuff and pay the postage to Scotland .I don't take no old crap though. for big Alistair it can only be very modern expensive, hardly used stuff, of the highest quality ,and dare I say original cost.That way you will not feel so much good as absolutely fantastic,And yes I know what your thinking as you read this you must marvel at my generosity towards my fellow men.That is wanting good right thinking chaps like you to feel ecstaticly happy. I hardly know you ! but still even though we are strangers ,I am just one of the worlds lovely nice generous , did I say nice guys .So don't bother to go out of your way thank me and ,smother me before all here with the kindest of words, unless you mean to do so of course with cash. Alistair

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  • duckman
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    I can appreciate the original post, I've been given things that I could never afford to buy and I use them, I've recently befriended a tech school senior and I give him things that he can't afford, my spare copy of machinist hand book, end mills, drills, and what ever, when I look at him I see myself 55 years ago and I know what he's going thru so I'm going to see that he gets what he can't afford and it makes me feel good. He is 1 of 2 kids in his class that the teacher lets do what they want, because they are so far advanced compared to the other kids, Colt has made his own steam engine, owns and operates his own Heisler steam engine at our club track. SO I BELIEVE WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND.

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  • doctordoctor
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    I just don't want to see his generosity abused & the things I didn't accept end up being sold.
    I'm just curious..why is it when people give stuff away they dont want it sold? I've never understood that.

    I've given things to people that couldn't afford it, such as turbos to broke kids who wanted to upgrade their car. Its never occured to me that I wouldn't want them to sell it. Why not? Sell it and buy something you'd rather have. Or use it for awhile, then sell it. Eventually it ends up being used by someone, so whats the difference?

    Its even more important with machining tools. The real value you are giving someone when you give them a TOOL that would normally be expensive is that they can experiment with it for free. The value of the tool is sort of secondary. The last thing you want to do is make it so that if they learn that another tool is more appropriate or that they have no use for the tool, that now they can't sell it and get something that makes more sense. Then the tool really might as well have been thrown in the trash because it will just sit there unused.

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  • justanengineer
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    In ~45 years Im going to pass along my heirloom tools to the kids then have one big mother of an auction and anything that doesnt sell the hobby public is welcome to come pick up. My only request is 1. come shake the hand, I'll be up on the porch drinking beer and 2. post a couple pics of your new tools when you get home.

    In the meantime Imma just sit here and soak up as much knowledge as possible from you fellas....

    Thank you friend/relative for his generosity, I have no need atm.

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  • Alistair Hosie
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    Getting and giving tools is not quite the same as asking or being asked for them.They in my opinion are actually luxury items and if anyone wants to give then fine I have promised my eldest son everything I( have when I stop or croak it.I have already given him a lot but that is different what I have is there for my three sons and the know it.But asking is the cheeky bit imho I have a lot of time for you guys.Alistair

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