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    Many years ago, my brother called me and said he was at a garage sale and they had a 9” southbend lathe for sale and his words “Mint condition”. Well, I have heard that more than once in my lifetime only to be disappointed. He said it was from a company that use to repair wood organs and the owner purchased it new. He said they would sell it for $700 and it came with a bunch of tooling. I told him that if really was in that good shape, to buy it and I would pay him back. It also came with the table it was mounted to (heavy metal work bench). I added the quick change gear box and sold the original change gears for more than I paid for the gearbox / screw combination. Easy retro-fit.

    So, below are some of the pictures of it. Just wanted to share as most of us love pictures.





    Notice the original flaking this this area. This is up by the chuck where most of the wear is.






    The funny thing is I never want to use it as I would hate to wear it out. This is actually in my will so my boys will get it. The attorney thought I was crazy..

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    • #3
      She's a beauty. The tailstock is missing the little applicator for adding some lead based lubricant to a dead center.
      Last edited by RichR; 01-22-2016, 03:18 PM. Reason: Poor grammar
      Location: Long Island, N.Y.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by RichR View Post
        She's a beauty. The tailstock is missing the little applicator for add some lead based lubricant to a dead center.
        Don't worry... Mr. Pete showed how to make replacements in one of his videos... I believe that's when I started losing interest in his videos....

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        • #5
          You must be referring to this:

          http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb...dauber-130321/

          Never knew this was an item... I would bet these disappeared the first week people owned these lathes..

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          • #6
            Slather those ways with oil each time before you use it
            and you will keep it nice. Excellent tool porn. Thx.
            Even though it is in good shape, the wicks for the bearings
            might be dried to dust. I dunno how long they last, but
            after 40 or more years, I would at least check them out.
            Something to think about.
            -Doozer
            DZER

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            • #7
              Congratulations! That is an excellent find. I can't say it loud enough in a web post but,


              YOU SUCK!
              Paul A.

              Make it fit.
              You can't win and there is a penalty for trying!

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              • #8
                I was gonna.... but I just can't ...... someone else will have to.
                1601

                Keep eye on ball.
                Hashim Khan

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                • #9
                  JeffKranz-
                  I also just noticed the angled parting off tool in one of your pics.
                  Beware of this tool. If it digs in (as parting tool blades of that
                  design have a known habit of doing, it can really bind things up.
                  I have even seen a poor fellow have this happen to, and the
                  result is it broke out the compound tee slot. This angled parting
                  off tool is especially troublesome with the lantern tool posts like
                  I see you have with lathe. They have lots of stick-out and lots
                  of leverage. I personally would advise to ditch this angled parting
                  tool holder in favor of the straight variety or go with a carbide insert
                  parting blade setup, which is light years better than a HSS parting
                  off tool blade. Yes the angled parting tool is that bad. Waaaay bad.
                  Just trying to save you some heartache.

                  ----Doozer
                  DZER

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                  • #10
                    That looks like New Old Stock... I am sure theres tons of envious South Bend lovers out there...

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                    • #11
                      Sure looks nice. I strongly recommend you set it up in a similar manner as mine. It makes a very big difference to the rigidity. It is easy and cheap to do. I used a scrap piece of structural steel channel to mount it to. That is then mounted to the bench. I'm going to need a new bench. Sigh.

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                      • #12
                        You've been had.

                        The flaking is fresh and crudely executed. The ways are original and show signs of use.
                        Location- Rugby, Warwickshire. UK

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Mark Rand View Post
                          You've been had.

                          The flaking is fresh and crudely executed. The ways are original and show signs of use.
                          Ok, someone else did it.....

                          I completely agree. looking at the 4th picture, there are what clearly appear to be wear lines on the tailstock ways, under the "flaking". Unless those are "oil drag" lines, there is normal wear.

                          Other marks of use exist under the freshly applied "flaking". Scraping with some age or wear on it simply does not look like that, it does not have that effect of picking up the light. The scraping marks are obviously quite recently applied.

                          In any case, the "flaking" is fairly crude marks, applied with no pattern, and not in a typical half moon or square style. As far as I know, Southbend never flaked those units, although at one time they did hand scrape all units (later they ground the ways). And if they had flaked, the scraper hand would have done a better job out of personal pride in his work.

                          The diagnosis is marks applied recently with the purpose of convincing people that it is in nearly new condition. It is "faking", not "flaking".

                          At least they were put on with a better tool than an old screwdriver, so they don't seem to have actually damaged the machine. Bubba often gets overboard and gouges the ways when "faking", but that was not done here.

                          It still appears not too severely worn, I don't see the typical wear ridge that Southbend units get, although that could have been sanded off by the person doing the "faking".

                          It will probably be a good usable machine. But it is not actually in the new type condition that it was "faked" to look like.

                          Edit: You still got a good deal, a QC machine with full feeds, tooling, etc. That price is not bad at all. I sold a change gear only SB for more than that with less tooling. The issue of the "faking" doesn't change that part of it....
                          Last edited by J Tiers; 01-23-2016, 10:51 AM.
                          1601

                          Keep eye on ball.
                          Hashim Khan

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                          • #14
                            Been "Had?"

                            I dunno, but that flaking looks very original SB to me, from this distance...

                            Did you notice that the OP mentioned that he got the lathe "Many years ago..." and that his brother picked it up at a factory auction (edit: My bad, it was a garage sale...but still...)?

                            Take a look at the following link. Shows an unused SB that was assembled nearly entirely from NOS parts by Dennis Turk:

                            http://www.lathes.co.uk/southbend9-inch/page9.html

                            Notice the flaking on Mr. Turks lathe. Very similar to the OP's if not close to identical.

                            I would not be so quick to claim the OP's lathe has been reflaked by someone to enhance its sale price, given the history of the machine.

                            Bill
                            Last edited by Henro; 01-23-2016, 02:14 PM. Reason: add correction

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                            • #15
                              The attached video is of another 9" South Bend with factory flaking. I cannot see too much difference between that lathe and Jeff's. The flaking is done by hand and the pattern will differ somewhat due to the differences in style of whoever applied it.

                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqwldtT5t5s

                              You can form your own conclusions, but I would want to see the machine in person before expressing any judgement. I do know Jeff's brother Bob, and he does know machine tools and I would respect his opinion.
                              Jim H.

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