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  • #16
    Originally posted by ikdor View Post
    Maybe someone was inspired by the Metcalf substation attack.
    With the limited redundancy in the US grid, attacking transformers is a terrorists wet dream. With a delivery time of more than a year for a replacement, people will be inconvenienced for a long time.
    Igor
    I always wondered what would happen in that case. Or just loosened bolts on a high voltage tower and waited for the wind to blow over a set of towers.
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    • #17
      The powercos are now stockpiling transformers of most distribution sizes. But obviously not in 1 for 1 quantity. And often not in the largest sizes.

      If transformers were more standard than they are in large sizes, this issue would be less of a problem, as there would be more interchangeability. There are standard pieces, but there are several standards in case of many sizes, as I am told. It seems to go by powerco.
      1601

      Keep eye on ball.
      Hashim Khan

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      • #18
        For the high voltage transformers, most are custom built for the size and power rating needed. There are exceptions of course where a spare can be had (ie an older unit that has been changed out and is kept for standby. The smaller units can be economically kept around for spares - not so the the great big Txs.
        Glenn Bird

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        • #19
          Originally posted by woodenbird View Post
          For the high voltage transformers, most are custom built for the size and power rating needed. There are exceptions of course where a spare can be had (ie an older unit that has been changed out and is kept for standby. The smaller units can be economically kept around for spares - not so the the great big Txs.
          The area disty ones are for sure being stockpiled. Most powercos have had some for a while. The generator output units are not so much, There may be one extra pre-installed at a powerhouse, that's not so rare.... otherwise not.
          1601

          Keep eye on ball.
          Hashim Khan

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          • #20
            Here is a guy's vid from afar, still an impressively large fire; hope it glues.

            https://www.facebook.com/mark.villal...7923982964796/

            A still shot, hopefully:


            https://www.facebook.com/mohavevalle...type=3&theater
            Last edited by imp; 02-21-2016, 11:44 PM.
            IF IT'S ELECTRICITY, IT'S ME.

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            • #21
              Maybe I missed something but this story sounds like a major yawn, to me at any rate. Did someone stub their toe in the dark?

              9,000 folks without power for about 3.5 hours on a Friday night. Not bitterly cold or scorching hot, a little inconvenient perhaps but nowhere as inconvenient as power outages that last for weeks due to ice storms or hurricanes.
              Must be a slow day in the news room.
              Home, down in the valley behind the Red Angus
              Bad Decisions Make Good Stories​

              Location: British Columbia

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              • #22
                Originally posted by H380 View Post
                Ha can't gamble at a casino. In 1992 we went 17 days without power after Hurricane Andrew here. I live only 2 miles from the power plant (NG) and 3 miles from the coast. The power company lost 50 miles of HV transmission lines and towers and 100k wood poles. Also went 18 days under dusk to dawn martial law. Nothing like watching HUMVEEs with guys carrying M16s around your neighborhood to shape your political views. Just look at New Orleans and how fast the US can go back to 3rd world survival of the fittest. The only one responsible for your family is you.
                Yours is the most fitting tribute to sudden disastrous event consideration, and I, for one, am moved by it. 100,000 power poles?? Christ. Your last sentence is the most fitting. I like it. imp
                IF IT'S ELECTRICITY, IT'S ME.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Willy View Post
                  Maybe I missed something but this story sounds like a major yawn, to me at any rate. Did someone stub their toe in the dark?

                  9,000 folks without power for about 3.5 hours on a Friday night. Not bitterly cold or scorching hot, a little inconvenient perhaps but nowhere as inconvenient as power outages that last for weeks due to ice storms or hurricanes.
                  Must be a slow day in the news room.
                  I expect you are being rather overly nonchalant. Thousands of folks within enclosed buildings, many terrified beyond belief, having travelled maybe hundreds
                  of miles to see some event, or spend the weekend "away from it all", faced with the inability at that moment of even finding their way back to their hotel rooms..... I fail to see how the "newsroom" fits into the picture here. Guess how many felonies were committed in the darkness. Yeah, hurricanes are bad news, but WHERE they hit, are predictable and expected to some degree. This, unprecedented. My opinion. imp
                  IF IT'S ELECTRICITY, IT'S ME.

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                  • #24
                    I didn't know there was so much electrical power experience on this site.

                    Power outages are quite interesting when dissected in millisecond bites. I once sat through a 4 hour analysis of the largest power outage in the history of the state of Alaska, the outage that I caused. It's a long story but suffice to say as soon as I hit the enter button on the keyboard to change a trip parameter on one of the two largest gas turbines in the state all hell broke loose. We had complete power outages and brown outs from Fairbanks to Homer, a distance of over 500 miles. Power was restored in a couple hours but not without issues.

                    During my career I experienced first and second hand, transformer and circuit breaker fires, explosions and mechanical failures, hydrogen explosions and a bunch of mechanical and electrical failures in various power plant systems. But can't image experienced anything like New Orleans. H380's comment in quote below is on target.

                    "Just look at New Orleans and how fast the US can go back to 3rd world survival of the fittest. The only one responsible for your family is you."

                    Well Done 380

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                    • #25
                      What a great thread. I am a new member here in the UK and love most things you guys in the USA talk about. We recently had a sub station fire in the next village, we where out of power for around 8 hours then for a few hours daily for the next month whilst we waited for the fix. The sub station was next to a Gas station so hard for the fire crews.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by imp View Post
                        I expect you are being rather overly nonchalant. Thousands of folks within enclosed buildings, many terrified beyond belief, having travelled maybe hundreds
                        of miles to see some event, or spend the weekend "away from it all", faced with the inability at that moment of even finding their way back to their hotel rooms..... I fail to see how the "newsroom" fits into the picture here. Guess how many felonies were committed in the darkness. Yeah, hurricanes are bad news, but WHERE they hit, are predictable and expected to some degree. This, unprecedented. My opinion. imp
                        Yeah we all know how that works out.
                        Home, down in the valley behind the Red Angus
                        Bad Decisions Make Good Stories​

                        Location: British Columbia

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by imp View Post
                          I expect you are being rather overly nonchalant. Thousands of folks within enclosed buildings, many terrified beyond belief, having travelled maybe hundreds
                          of miles to see some event, or spend the weekend "away from it all", faced with the inability at that moment of even finding their way back to their hotel rooms..... I fail to see how the "newsroom" fits into the picture here. Guess how many felonies were committed in the darkness. Yeah, hurricanes are bad news, but WHERE they hit, are predictable and expected to some degree. This, unprecedented. My opinion. imp
                          I'm never surprised by any number of felonies,what amazes me are all the kids born 9 months after a natural disaster,power outage etc.Guess there isn't anything else to do when the lights are off
                          I just need one more tool,just one!

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                          • #28
                            The chances are small that any particular individual will be drastically affected by a power outage. Most are well under 24 hours.

                            But...when it does go on for more than a day, the thin veneer of civilization becomes quickly apparent.


                            I mostly exercise my generator once a month...

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