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  • Little Machine Shop Transfer Screws?

    I have a project that sort of calls for transfer screws. Heck, let's just admit it: I want to buy new stuff, and the project is an excuse.

    I'm wondering if anyone has tried the screws from Little Machine Shop. I can get Heimann screws on Ebay, but they're more expensive. I would think it would be easy to make good transfer screws, so this might be a good opportunity to go Chinese without remorse.
    Don't trigger me, bro!

  • #2
    I have Heimann screws in a few sizes, and they are very good, but in other sizes, when I have needed them in a pinch, I have made them from hardened setscrews (cone point work ok on their own, dog point are nice to make them). I grind flats near the end to turn them when the back end isn't accessible (I'd use a transfer punch if it was, usually), or something else to make them grabable. The hex is nice, and makes for good packing in the holder, but isn't the only wat to drive them.

    I have not idea about the LMS chinese made screws. They need to be hard, but not brittle. Many of the import products I have used have had very, very soft `hardened' setscrews (Phase II toolposts, for example), and some (not all) of the import transfer punches I have used have been soft enough to lose the point on low carbon steel without leaving enough of a mark to be useful, so I would not be surprised if these were not as hard as they should be.

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    • #3
      I've heard about people having trouble with the punches, and I can attest to the cheesy consistency of the tool holder screws. Maybe I should just email the LMS people and ask them point-blank if the transfer screws are any good.
      Don't trigger me, bro!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by stevehgraham View Post
        I've heard about people having trouble with the punches, and I can attest to the cheesy consistency of the tool holder screws. Maybe I should just email the LMS people and ask them point-blank if the transfer screws are any good.
        I wonder if they would say NO point blank?

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        • #5
          I have no idea what they'd say. I have heard decent things about LMS overall, but have never dealt with them. If you do try them, I'm curious how good they are. Heimann are not cheap, though most of the time, I need the screw now, not next week, so I find a way if I don't have the size.

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          • #6
            The HHIP sets on Amazon have good reviews:

            https://www.amazon.com/HHIP-3601-037...re-bullets-btf

            TTC (Travers) from Amazon seem OK as well:

            https://www.amazon.com/TTC-Piece-Tra.../dp/B00B4XP7K0

            The Harbor Freight transfer punches have good ratings (I realize not the same thing):

            http://www.harborfreight.com/28-piec...-set-3577.html

            I was unsure about how to use transfer screws (as opposed to punches). Here is one illustration:

            http://www.trucktrend.com/features/0...-of-the-month/

            It seems like it should be pretty quick and easy to make transfer screws. Drill and tap a hole in the end of a screw and add a set screw for the point. Or just drill a small hole and use a heavy needle, pin, or tack.

            Individual points and sets are not horribly expensive from McMaster:

            https://www.mcmaster.com/#transfer-screws/=151jc17
            http://pauleschoen.com/pix/PM08_P76_P54.png
            Paul , P S Technology, Inc. and MrTibbs
            USA Maryland 21030

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            • #7
              Originally posted by PStechPaul View Post

              It seems like it should be pretty quick and easy to make transfer screws.
              agreed if you needed something fast and/or odd but to do apples to apples, the the Heimanns are hardened and most importantly have a hex around the point. This is the key to their functionality; the holder has a female hex so they are easily adjusted when in a blind hole - royal pita otherwise. Collecting over the years i've complete sets of imperial and metric....and they never trade for more than 5-10 dollarettes per set. How long would you take you to make 6, a holder, hardened with the hexes?
              Last edited by Mcgyver; 11-14-2016, 08:51 PM.
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              • #8
                Chris from LMS emailed me back and said he didn't remember getting any complaints.

                I haven't had any trouble with their stuff.

                Someone mentioned Travers. I bought a complete HSS tap and die set which is surely Chinese, and it works fine. I don't know if it's as good as American HSS, but so far it has not failed me, and the price was right.
                Don't trigger me, bro!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by PStechPaul View Post
                  The Harbor Freight transfer punches have good ratings (I realize not the same thing):

                  http://www.harborfreight.com/28-piec...-set-3577.html
                  I have a set at home and use a two sets of cheap ones at work for any occasional machining. They're junk. They bend, mushroom, and the tips dull in aluminum.

                  All "hand" tools like hammers, punches, files, scrapers, should all be of quality in your shop. Either store bought or homemade, use a good feeling tool and your work will show it.

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                  • #10
                    LMS = $13

                    McMaster = $17 or $18 in similar sizes.

                    Both have six screws in a tool that installs them. You are not saving a lot.

                    http://littlemachineshop.com/product...ProductID=3109

                    https://www.mcmaster.com/#transfer-screws/=151lh2j

                    In a lot of situations, you can just use cone tipped set screws. Half the price or less for ten of them.

                    https://www.mcmaster.com/#set-screws/=151lkbr

                    You can probably install them in a blind hole with the eraser end of a pencil.
                    Paul A.

                    Make it fit.
                    You can't win and there is a penalty for trying!

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                    • #11
                      I have a pretty full set of Heimanns in Imperial (never have seen a metric version).

                      They are OK, but of rather variable quality. Most are hardened, but some have squashed flat when trying to mark in steel that accepted a center punch with no fuss. Not 1018 steel, but not 60 RC by any means,either.

                      I suspect the chinese cheapies will be as good as the Heimann ones with no trouble. If "most" are hardened, they will be about equal to Heimann.
                      1601

                      Keep eye on ball.
                      Hashim Khan

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by J Tiers View Post
                        I have a pretty full set of Heimanns in Imperial (never have seen a metric version).

                        They are OK, but of rather variable quality. Most are hardened, but some have squashed flat when trying to mark in steel that accepted a center punch with no fuss.
                        Hmm. I'll need to keep this in mind. I may have been lucky not to have any that are soft so far as I have found. Mine are all second hand (swap meet and hand-me-down) so there may have been some editing out of soft ones along the way.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by PStechPaul View Post
                          The HHIP sets on Amazon have good reviews:

                          https://www.amazon.com/HHIP-3601-037...re-bullets-btf

                          TTC (Travers) from Amazon seem OK as well:

                          https://www.amazon.com/TTC-Piece-Tra.../dp/B00B4XP7K0

                          The Harbor Freight transfer punches have good ratings (I realize not the same thing):

                          http://www.harborfreight.com/28-piec...-set-3577.html

                          I was unsure about how to use transfer screws (as opposed to punches). Here is one illustration:

                          http://www.trucktrend.com/features/0...-of-the-month/

                          It seems like it should be pretty quick and easy to make transfer screws. Drill and tap a hole in the end of a screw and add a set screw for the point. Or just drill a small hole and use a heavy needle, pin, or tack.

                          Individual points and sets are not horribly expensive from McMaster:

                          https://www.mcmaster.com/#transfer-screws/=151jc17
                          Even easier than that, when I need a transfer screw all I do is turn or grind a 45 degree point on the screw. After doing this for many years I now have quite a collection of transfer screws in many sizes and thread pitches.

                          JL..................

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                          • #14
                            I just use bolt with machined point low cost and fast
                            Jus have set of Transfer punch's they are handy to have

                            Dave

                            Originally posted by stevehgraham View Post
                            I have a project that sort of calls for transfer screws. Heck, let's just admit it: I want to buy new stuff, and the project is an excuse.

                            I'm wondering if anyone has tried the screws from Little Machine Shop. I can get Heimann screws on Ebay, but they're more expensive. I would think it would be easy to make good transfer screws, so this might be a good opportunity to go Chinese without remorse.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Paul Alciatore View Post
                              LMS = $13

                              McMaster = $17 or $18 in similar sizes.

                              Both have six screws in a tool that installs them. You are not saving a lot.
                              If you buy several sizes, it comes to $30 or more, and for all I know, the McMaster screws are also Chinese.
                              Don't trigger me, bro!

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