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    I'm in the uk and looking for a good bench top grinder for tool grinding and finishing. I've got a decent general purpose grinder/wire wheel setup but I am struggling to find something with a decent 'table' that can be set to create the desired angles for grinding your own HSS tooling.

    Any recommendations?

  • #2
    A few options. A basic purpose made grinder for doing what you're after is something similar to this dual cup stone grinder;

    http://www.grizzly.com/products/Heav...-Grinder/H7762

    Just find a local British outlet for this Asian product.

    Another option since you will soon have your lathe back together is to pick up a reasonably decent basic bench grinder for a lower cost and on the lathe make a really nice fitted flange that swaps out for the useless cup washer and which fits a cup stone of this style. Then make your own table in the shop that mimics or is better than the angle and spacing setting of this grinder. The other side of the grinder can be fitted with some other wheel option as well. In effect with a little effort you can make a basic bench top grinder into a tool grinder.

    The trade off is all about time and money.

    Of course if you're flush you could look into other options that are more advanced and cost a LOT more.
    Chilliwack BC, Canada

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    • #3
      Originally posted by BCRider View Post
      A few options. A basic purpose made grinder for doing what you're after is something similar to this dual cup stone grinder;

      http://www.grizzly.com/products/Heav...-Grinder/H7762

      Just find a local British outlet for this Asian product.

      Another option since you will soon have your lathe back together is to pick up a reasonably decent basic bench grinder for a lower cost and on the lathe make a really nice fitted flange that swaps out for the useless cup washer and which fits a cup stone of this style. Then make your own table in the shop that mimics or is better than the angle and spacing setting of this grinder. The other side of the grinder can be fitted with some other wheel option as well. In effect with a little effort you can make a basic bench top grinder into a tool grinder.

      The trade off is all about time and money.

      Of course if you're flush you could look into other options that are more advanced and cost a LOT more.
      Just what I want!

      You would think you could find a similar product in the UK but I've yet to find one ?
      Last edited by blckbx; 12-29-2016, 04:47 PM.

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      • #4
        As an interim measure, consider adding a Veritas Grinder Tool Rest (sku: 5M23.01) to your existing bench grinder and fabricating a few simple guides/jigs to position tools at frequently-used angles.

        http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/pag...=1,43072,45938

        Then keep watch for a Baldor Tool & Cutter grinder, its Rockwell equivalent or perhaps UK/Euro versions of this type of grinder.

        I agree that it is surprising that Arc Euro Trade does not appear to offer the machine currently sold by Grizzly (which was also available through HF several years ago.)

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        • #5
          Ive not seen them in the uk yet either, whilst they are generic over the pond, nothing like that is available here, you'd struggle to go out and actually buy a 123 block on a weekday, yes available mail order but locally no way, there a firm on eBay that has started selling woodworking and metalworking kit from Austria, they do some actually very nice lathes, aparently made in Austria, they have a range of grinders, I'll go find the link,
          Mark
          No tool grinder I'm afraid, could do with one myself
          Sorry
          M
          Last edited by boslab; 12-29-2016, 06:04 PM.

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          • #6
            If that sort of stuff is seriously that hard to find you might be locked into making your own wheel mount flange on the lathe and making up your own table to use in conjunction with a basic bench grinder. Once the lathe is running it's really not a big job to make up a really nice light press fit flange that will run true and to then make up a nice rest that has some settings for angles and the like. I've done a couple of such things over the years. Not with angle scales on them but items that are WAY nicer to use than the cheezy sheet metal rests that attach to the sheet metal guards. It sure doesn't need to be as crazy fancy as a Quorn or anything like that. Or at least making something that fancy can wait for later on.
            Chilliwack BC, Canada

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            • #7
              This one.

              http://www.chesterhobbystore.com/lat...der-5307-p.asp

              Or this ?

              http://www.hemingwaykits.com/acatalo...r_Grinder.html

              Couple of grinding rests for normal grinders.

              http://www.axminster.co.uk/search/?q=bench%20grinder&nR[visibility_search][=][0]=1&
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              Sir John , Earl of Bligeport & Sudspumpwater. MBE [ Motor Bike Engineer ] Nottingham England.



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              • #8
                That first link is 500 Pounds for THAT! ? ! ? ! ? GOOD GRIEF!!!!! It's a bit of a toy with nothing much for a table but at a King's ransom of a price ! ! ! !

                The Worden kit looks somewhat promsing but that's a LOT of machine to just grind a few HSS tool bits. And it IS a kit with some considerable work needed before it is ready to use I suspect.

                And finally in the last link I see that they have the Veritas rest further down the page. But here again knowing how much 50 Pounds is and how easily a similar rest is made in even a casual home shop I just have to shake my head. When I got mine I paid about 1/3 of that price given our conversions and even then it was a case of "what the hell....". I later turned out a cheapie from some scrap 1/8 steel, a door hinge a few bits of 1/2x1/4 and some scraps of 1/4" all thread. Total cost even if I had to buy all of it would have been under 5 bucks.

                I appreciate that Sir John is trying to be helpful. But for me those links just confirms that you both are better off with a DIY table and jigs to run with the table and base it off a basic two wheel bench grinder.
                Chilliwack BC, Canada

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by blckbx View Post
                  Just what I want!

                  You would think you could find a similar product in the UK but I've yet to find one ?
                  Do consider there are very limited choices for aluminum oxide wheels on the Baldor and clone tool grinders. They're intended to be carbide grinders so you'll mostly find silicon carbide wheels. The most common wheel you can find is a 46K others are much harder to find and are expensive for what they are.
                  Mike
                  Central Ohio, USA

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                  • #10
                    I just finished the acute tool sharpening system from Eccentric Engineering this week and am quite pleased with it. So far I've been sharpening lathe tool bits with it and it does marvelously. It will also sharpen end mills which I've yet to try out but I've no doubt it will perform quite well. Gary of Eccentric has some nice youtube videos to take a look at. Here's my effort just finished and then mounted on my grinder:



                    and:



                    I have to say that Gary's prints and kit of parts are among the best I have ever seen and not too dear. Shipping time to the states was about a week, he also sells in the uk and may have a distributor there. Usual disclaimer here, I'm not part of his business, just a very satisfied customer.

                    cheers, Charles Morrill

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                    • #11
                      waumbek, thank you for posting. That turned out quite nicely.

                      BCRider. I posted a suggestion about the Veritas with the thought that if the OP was disinclined or in a hurry he could buy one, but implicit was the notion that having provided a link to an image, a motivated person could build their own from materials at hand.

                      I'll repeat that it seems an oversight that AET hasn't done a deal with Central Machinery to improve and import their 6" Tool Grinder. I bought one years ago from HF when these sold for less than £100. HF moved aside, leaving the market to Grizzly and Enco/MSCDirect who continue to offer the same basic grinder currently for £325-£400. One would think there might be some money to be made while fulfilling a need?

                      Lastly. Blckbx, consider calling around to machinery dealers to inquire about used Baldor 500 series, Rockwell 23-501 series and equivalent tool grinders. I don't know whether the Baldor and Rockwell models made their way to the UK, but with the shift to insert tooling I imagine whatever machinery was used to sharpen HSS there in the past is becoming redundant.

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                      • #12
                        those (grizzly type) grinders are a waste of money and not very practical in the end. find a decent benchtop grinder or balance one that you have. put it on a flat base, mdf is good enough. then make a little table that can be adjusted to different angles with precision similar to a sine plate. make contraptions of your choise to guide/attach tools to it. now you can moove the table from one side to the other, the face of the wheels or a second grinder you set up for honing/polishing taking advantage of the fact that by shimming the table you can vary the angle just so slightly to just hone the edge of the tools if you wish.

                        my version:

                        Last edited by dian; 12-30-2016, 12:55 AM.

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                        • #13
                          Is this what you're looking for?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by dian View Post
                            those (grizzly type) grinders are a waste of money and not very practical in the end.
                            I disagree.

                            Tool grinders like the Baldor 500, Rockwell 23-501, Grizzly H7762, MSCDirect 32739245 and others of this style all offer several useful features. These include side-facing grinding wheels (with shielding), reversible motors, mitre gauges, tilting tables, coolant pots w/ flow valve, coolant catch trays, work lamps and so on.

                            The import versions of these grinders have been pretty thoroughly discussed here back in the days when HF was offering them for under £100. There are some YT videos from the era with useful tune-up tips. (Whether the current import models offered at upwards of £400 have had their rough edges smoothed off is something I cannot speak to.)

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by elf View Post
                              Is this what you're looking for?

                              That's a helluva deal for those of us on this side of the pond. But the shipping price to England might add a considerable sting to the price.
                              Chilliwack BC, Canada

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