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  • #31
    Originally posted by tomato coupe View Post
    Is this an apples to apples comparison, i.e. are your lathe and mill comparable to what these places provided?
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    CNC machines only go through the motions

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    • #32
      Originally posted by tomato coupe View Post
      Is this an apples to apples comparison, i.e. are your lathe and mill comparable to what these places provided?
      Funny that you should ask that. I signed up at the Techshop a year after getting my shop set up. I wanted to experience the difference between my consumer grade Asian imports and good old American iron. I kept hearing that the Asian machines were vastly inferior.

      To my delight, the machines at the Techshop did the same things in the same ways that my machines did at home. Their lathe could take deeper cuts than mine could, and it had a larger swing and longer bed, but other than that I could do the same work with either machine. I also found that I could hold the same accuracy on their 13 inch lathe as I did on my 7 inch lathe. Their Bridgeport clone had a few more features than my mill, but mine has a few features that theirs lacked, so it was sort of a draw.

      I got more out of attending the Techshop training classes than I did from using their hardware. I was able to take a 4 hour intro to MIG class and another one on TIG welding. I learned enough to get over my fear of burning down the house. I also learned enough about the welding machines that I could talk to the sellers intelligently when I went to buy one.

      I'm sorry they are gone. I always had in the back of my mind the possibility of using their services if I had to do something that exceeds the capabilities of my shop.

      Dan
      At the end of the project, there is a profound difference between spare parts and left over parts.

      Location: SF East Bay.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by J Tiers View Post
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        It was just a simple question. I have no idea what kind of lathe and mill you have.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by danlb View Post
          Funny that you should ask that. I signed up at the Techshop a year after getting my shop set up. I wanted to experience the difference between my consumer grade Asian imports and good old American iron. I kept hearing that the Asian machines were vastly inferior.

          To my delight, the machines at the Techshop did the same things in the same ways that my machines did at home. Their lathe could take deeper cuts than mine could, and it had a larger swing and longer bed, but other than that I could do the same work with either machine. I also found that I could hold the same accuracy on their 13 inch lathe as I did on my 7 inch lathe. Their Bridgeport clone had a few more features than my mill, but mine has a few features that theirs lacked, so it was sort of a draw.

          I got more out of attending the Techshop training classes than I did from using their hardware. I was able to take a 4 hour intro to MIG class and another one on TIG welding. I learned enough to get over my fear of burning down the house. I also learned enough about the welding machines that I could talk to the sellers intelligently when I went to buy one.

          I'm sorry they are gone. I always had in the back of my mind the possibility of using their services if I had to do something that exceeds the capabilities of my shop.

          Dan
          Were their lathe and mill CNC or manual?

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          • #35
            Originally posted by tomato coupe View Post
            It was just a simple question. I have no idea what kind of lathe and mill you have.
            Obviously NOT a 16" or Bridgeport, yes? IOTTMCO

            10" Logan, Boley, Rivett, Lewis horizontal, with vertical head, Benchmaster with vertical and horizontal setups. It is not of any concern what I have, as one can often buy larger for less (being basement stairs friendly usually raises the cost). And, it is also not that important to have a 14" or 16" lathe if your parts are small enough to do on a 7 x 12.

            So the issue of being "comparable" is not necessarily a very significant consideration. Folks who DO have a shop, but have a need to use a larger machine that Techshop DID have, would benefit, of course. But since most folks starting out (and therefore are potential Techshop customers) seem to have small work envelope needs, buying small machines in the 10"and under category, with a similar sized mill-drill, I consider that my comment is quite relevant.

            It's not as if Techshop had a 36" Bullard, etc.
            CNC machines only go through the motions

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            • #36
              Originally posted by J Tiers View Post
              Obviously NOT a 16" or Bridgeport, yes? IOTTMCO

              10" Logan, Boley, Rivett, Lewis horizontal, with vertical head, Benchmaster with vertical and horizontal setups. It is not of any concern what I have, as one can often buy larger for less (being basement stairs friendly usually raises the cost). And, it is also not that important to have a 14" or 16" lathe if your parts are small enough to do on a 7 x 12.

              So the issue of being "comparable" is not necessarily a very significant consideration. Folks who DO have a shop, but have a need to use a larger machine that Techshop DID have, would benefit, of course. But since most folks starting out (and therefore are potential Techshop customers) seem to have small work envelope needs, buying small machines in the 10"and under category, with a similar sized mill-drill, I consider that my comment is quite relevant.

              It's not as if Techshop had a 36" Bullard, etc.
              Sorry I asked.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by tomato coupe View Post
                Sorry I asked.
                Not really.

                It's a question of what did you mean by "is it comparable?". The original comment following the issue of high costs was that basic (typical home shop) machine shop lathe and mill can be (I did, anyhow) bought for a year's worth of the membership fees. You, in response, asked if that was for equivalent machines.

                The implication of the question in response was "if you did not buy precisely what they had, the comment about costs is stupid because you are only partly replacing the capability. And obviously for that $$ you did not buy what they had, so that is not a sensible thing to say.".

                But the comment is not quite that stupid, because most folks do not need, nor want, the full capability, at least judging by the population here, who seem to have an "average" of a 9 x 20, or 10" lathe, for instance. Sure , some here have a big Monarch etc, a bridgeport or larger mill, surface grinders, tool and cutter grinders, welding and cutting equipment, etc. But many seem to have a 10" or so lathe, and a mill-drill, with which they turn out very good work.

                I had already commented that if you really needed a 16" lathe and Bridgeport, no that membership money was not going to get you that capability (but it would get "typical" home shop equipment). So it seemed a little odd that you asked in that way, as that would seem to have been answered already.

                Maybe that was not as clear to you. And maybe you did not mean your question to be as "sharp" as it appeared.

                Now, lathe and mill are not the only things that were at Techshop... Plasma Cam, welding, and many other items were available for the same membership cost, and those are not all replaceable for the membership money. That is a point.
                Last edited by J Tiers; 11-22-2017, 12:06 PM.
                CNC machines only go through the motions

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by J Tiers View Post
                  Not really.

                  It's a question of what did you mean by "is it comparable?". The original comment following the issue of high costs was that basic (typical home shop) machine shop lathe and mill can be (I did, anyhow) bought for a year's worth of the membership fees. You, in response, asked if that was for equivalent machines.

                  The implication of the question in response was "if you did not buy precisely what they had, the comment about costs is stupid because you are only partly replacing the capability. And obviously for that $$ you did not buy what they had, so that is not a sensible thing to say.".

                  But the comment is not quite that stupid, because most folks do not need, nor want, the full capability, at least judging by the population here, who seem to have an "average" of a 9 x 20, or 10" lathe, for instance. Sure , some here have a big Monarch etc, a bridgeport or larger mill, surface grinders, tool and cutter grinders, welding and cutting equipment, etc. But many seem to have a 10" or so lathe, and a mill-drill, with which they turn out very good work.

                  I had already commented that if you really needed a 16" lathe and Bridgeport, no that membership money was not going to get you that capability (but it would get "typical" home shop equipment). So it seemed a little odd that you asked in that way, as that would seem to have been answered already.

                  Maybe that was not as clear to you. And maybe you did not mean your question to be as "sharp" as it appeared.

                  Now, lathe and mill are not the only things that were at Techshop... Plasma Cam, welding, and many other items were available for the same membership cost, and those are not all replaceable for the membership money. That is a point.
                  Really sorry I asked.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by tomato coupe View Post
                    Were their lathe and mill CNC or manual?
                    The ones that were in the San Mateo techshop back then were all manual. Most of their stuff was either donated, on loan or bought at auction. They were in usable condition.

                    Last time I checked in they had some 3d printing, a 3d router and a small tormach... I think. It's been a while.


                    Dan
                    At the end of the project, there is a profound difference between spare parts and left over parts.

                    Location: SF East Bay.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by danlb View Post
                      The ones that were in the San Mateo techshop back then were all manual. Most of their stuff was either donated, on loan or bought at auction. They were in usable condition.

                      Last time I checked in they had some 3d printing, a 3d router and a small tormach... I think. It's been a while.

                      Dan
                      It sounds like it was pretty basic stuff; nothing new and/or exotic.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by tomato coupe View Post
                        Were their lathe and mill CNC or manual?
                        The 2 lathes at Detroit Techshop were manual Jet lathes, one had a taper attachment
                        and 5C collet closer. The 2 mills were also Jet, Bridgeport clones, with DROs.
                        A Tormach 1100 CNC with 4th axis rotary attachment, heavy attachment with chuck, but the staff would help you install it.
                        If an occasional job required over 4 hours, and you asked ahead of time, the staff would allow you more time when you reserved the machine. Sometimes 3D printers could run all night.
                        The best method for milling was to use your own ‘Tooling Plate’ with your own clamping studs, if your setup was complicated or repetitive.
                        The thing I didn’t like was having to tram or check the tram every time on the mills.
                        Larry
                        Last edited by metalfixer; 11-24-2017, 07:32 AM.

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