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  • Brian - The isopropyl alcohol probably won't work. I tried it on my sterling engine. Not enough heat.
    I got some methyl hydrate at a hardware store, which is 99%, works great. A lot more heat.
    Larry - west coast of Canada

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    • Cuttings--I have some 95% coming tomorrow.---Brian
      Brian Rupnow
      Design engineer
      Barrie, Ontario, Canada

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      • Originally posted by brian Rupnow View Post
        Lew--I was born in '46, but the hydro lines never came through our part of Ontario until about 1953 or 1954. Nobody used coal, but then again we were right in the center of Ontario's arboreal forest, so everybody burned hardwood for heat. My father was an Orangeman, and I well remember him and mother taking me to dances at the old Orange Hall in Detlor--It was lit by two great big gas lanterns that hung from the ceiling on hooks. Everybody threw their coats down behind the piano once the hall got heated up by the big wood burning stove, and when I got too tired to stay awake my mother would lay me down on the pile of coats and I would sleep there with the other small kids. Nobody got babysitters back then. People went to dances and took all their kids with them, and it seemed to be the most natural thing to do.---Brian
        That's a great story Brian!
        I was born in 1932 and just yesterday remarked to my wife that I looked at the future until I was 40, looked at the present until I was 70 and now, at 85, I look at the past.
        (probably because I have so little future)
        Bill
        I cut it off twice and it's still too short!

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        • You can get methyl hydrate (methanol) at Canadian tire Brian, its sold as gas line antifreeze.
          Cheers,
          Jon

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          • Originally posted by Jon Heron View Post
            You can get methyl hydrate (methanol) at Canadian tire Brian, its sold as gas line antifreeze.
            Cheers,
            Jon
            WHY is Methanol (Methyl Alcohol) called methyl hydrate? Do the same people call Ethyl Alcohol ethyl hydrate??? It would appear to me rather stupid. Even the molecular structure is the same form.
            I use to play chemist on TV. :-)
            ...lew...

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            • No luck today with the 70% alcohol. Engine refused to run on it. I do have some "real" work today, so haven't had much time to play with the engine. I don't think that 8 mm diameter cotton rope is going to do for a wick either. I have to jam it in so tight to get it down the 1/4" wick hole that it interferes with the wicking action. I called the pharmacy about my 95% alcohol that was supposed to come today, and somehow they have lost it--I'm waiting on a phone call. The magnet I have J.B. welded into the engine base does a great job of holding the alcohol tank in place. If I get my 95% alcohol I will try it with the 6 mm cotton rope wick.
              Brian Rupnow
              Design engineer
              Barrie, Ontario, Canada

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              • Originally posted by brian Rupnow View Post
                No luck today with the 70% alcohol. Engine refused to run on it. I do have some "real" work today, so haven't had much time to play with the engine. I don't think that 8 mm diameter cotton rope is going to do for a wick either. I have to jam it in so tight to get it down the 1/4" wick hole that it interferes with the wicking action. I called the pharmacy about my 95% alcohol that was supposed to come today, and somehow they have lost it--I'm waiting on a phone call. The magnet I have J.B. welded into the engine base does a great job of holding the alcohol tank in place. If I get my 95% alcohol I will try it with the 6 mm cotton rope wick.
                This is what you want to use. Should be available at any hardware store.

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                • 3Phase--You are absolutely right, that is what is recommended. I didn't think it was that easy to get. I will call my hardware store and see if they carry it.---Brian
                  Brian Rupnow
                  Design engineer
                  Barrie, Ontario, Canada

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                  • Originally posted by brian Rupnow View Post
                    3Phase--You are absolutely right, that is what is recommended. I didn't think it was that easy to get. I will call my hardware store and see if they carry it.---Brian
                    It's also available on Amazon. That's actually where I last bought it.

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                    • http://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/me...7127p.html#srp
                      AKA: denatured alcohol, methanol, wood alcohol, etc , etc...
                      $4.99 for a litre.
                      Jon

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                      • I found an hour to play today, so removed the 8 mm rope wick and installed the 6 mm rope wick instead. Now I find that when I flip the engine over by hand to see if it will start, it blows out the flame.--Consistently. I assume that the 95% alcohol will be more apt to stay lit, than the 70% that I currently have. The engine still acts as if it may actually run, but certainly not with the flame going out so easily.
                        Brian Rupnow
                        Design engineer
                        Barrie, Ontario, Canada

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                        • Here is another video with an explanation of what he did and why....and what did NOT work, along with his idea of why.

                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpLDDccROx4

                          Originally posted by brian Rupnow View Post
                          I found an hour to play today, so removed the 8 mm rope wick and installed the 6 mm rope wick instead. Now I find that when I flip the engine over by hand to see if it will start, it blows out the flame.--Consistently. I assume that the 95% alcohol will be more apt to stay lit, than the 70% that I currently have. The engine still acts as if it may actually run, but certainly not with the flame going out so easily.
                          How high is the wick with respect to the valve opening? Most seem to have th wick just below, so that the flame is in front of the valve, but the wick is a distance below.

                          The 30% water may also be cooling the flame enough that it is easy to blow out.

                          This one (linked at least twice already) has a sort of "throttle" that adjusts the location of the wick:

                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1Tpgc8LwiU

                          The lever on the side turns the tank moving the wick closer and down, or farther away and up
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                          • Brian - If you are having trouble finding the alcohol go to a Home Hardware, that is where I found a 500 ml bottle of Methyl Hydrate for a good price. They also had fireplace fuel which I believe is the 95% stuff, but only in 1 gallon containers at a substantial price. At about a teaspoon or two a fill this will run my sterling for a great number of runs.
                            Larry - west coast of Canada

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                            • Originally posted by Jon Heron View Post
                              You can get methyl hydrate (methanol) at Canadian tire Brian, its sold as gas line antifreeze.
                              Cheers,
                              Jon
                              Yup, I always get it there too,. Ten Canadian Pesos for a big jug of 99.9% pure methanol.
                              I use it a lot for gas line antifreeze in gasoline powered equipment that operates in snow dust conditions and for truck air system de-icing if the air dryer has been neglected.
                              Home, down in the valley behind the Red Angus
                              Bad Decisions Make Good Stories​

                              Location: British Columbia

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                              • Originally posted by J Tiers View Post
                                Here is another video with an explanation of what he did and why....and what did NOT work, along with his idea of why.

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpLDDccROx4

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                                Wow great link, lots of insight into what it takes to make one run. I watched part 2 as well, after the propane conversion.
                                These are definitely finicky little rascals aren't they?.
                                Good info.
                                Home, down in the valley behind the Red Angus
                                Bad Decisions Make Good Stories​

                                Location: British Columbia

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