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  • #76
    Originally posted by JRouche View Post
    And what part of this language dont you understand, it is simple language? JR

    (a) Any person operating a bicycle upon a roadway at a speed less than the normal speed of traffic moving in the same direction at that time shall ride as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway except under any of the following situations:
    I've already posted a legal interpretation of the law, in rather simple language.

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    • #77
      Cali people, arguing about where to ride their bikes. Merica!
      Andy

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      • #78
        Im with JR on this one - unless it's a specific extra wide bike lane cyclist do not have the right to ride two abreast and esp. if when they are doing it the one on the left is on or over the white side line and in the motorist path, that's just plain wrong and dangerous and your begging for trouble.

        iv very rarely seen that out here but when I do I thought to myself "get the fuque where you belong"

        that being said - out here it's not the cyclist that are the problem - it's a growing percentage of the arsshole motorist,

        you can hug the far right of your far right little area and still there's going to be jerks blairing their horn at you as they go by or people getting as close to the line as they can even though they have a two lane and nobody else is around,
        there's just some really sad people out there who I think are frustrated that their life is crap and are jealous of other people getting exercise or something...

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        • #79
          Originally posted by A.K. Boomer View Post
          Im with JR on this one - unless it's a specific extra wide bike lane cyclist do not have the right to ride two abreast and esp. if when they are doing it the one on the left is on or over the white side line and in the motorist path, that's just plain wrong and dangerous and your begging for trouble.
          You can argue how dangerous it is and how foolish it is, and you can plead with cyclists not to do it, but it does not change the bottom line -- riding two abreast is also legal in Colorado. (I assume you are in Colorado.)

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          • #80
            I highly doubt that with many of our roads as there's barely enough side strip to fit a single bike in sometimes,

            You mean to tell me that two can ride abreast and the left guy can exceed the white line and be into the motorist lane?

            if so the laws need to be re-written

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            • #81
              hey all - I appreciate that cyclists can be annoying, that they can get in the way and that they don't always follow the rules of the road to the letter (huh, much like alot of road users in general) but they're still made of flesh and blood like you are, they still have family that they love and loves them. So shake your head or complain about it to your wife if it makes you feel better, but don't use it to justify aggressive or dangerous driving around cyclists. Two wrongs don't make a right and certainly riding two abreast doesn't justify "scraping someone's brains off the road".

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              • #82
                Originally posted by 3 Phase Lightbulb View Post
                People on bikes are a big problem over here. They are everywhere and they often ride side-by-side which makes it difficult to pass them.
                You mean you must wait a few moments until opposing traffic is actually clear in order to pass? How awful to not be able to squeeze by close, with no margin of safety, when opposing traffic is present.

                People driving Corvettes a big problem over here. They speed recklessly on 25 mph scenic curving roads that are frequented by pedestrians and cyclists, with no regard for human life. This guy even posted youtube videos of his reckless driving.

                http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/..._125_mile.html

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by A.K. Boomer View Post
                  I highly doubt that with many of our roads as there's barely enough side strip to fit a single bike in sometimes,

                  You mean to tell me that two can ride abreast and the left guy can exceed the white line and be into the motorist lane?

                  if so the laws need to be re-written
                  Yes, that is correct. In fact, a single rider can also ride left of the white line and can legally take the entire lane in some situations.

                  As an aside, there is a segment of the cycling population that thinks it is a good idea to always ride in the road (and even take the entire lane), even if there is an enormous shoulder to ride on. These cyclists are, in my opinion, complete a-holes and they do nothing but exacerbate the tension between cyclists and motorists. I wish there was a way to (non-violently) remove them from the road along with their motorist counterparts. (Neither cyclist nor motorist have a monopoly on douchebaggery -- there are plenty on both sides.)

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Glug View Post
                    You mean you must wait a few moments until opposing traffic is actually clear in order to pass? How awful to not be able to squeeze by close, with no margin of safety, when opposing traffic is present.

                    People driving Corvettes a big problem over here. They speed recklessly on 25 mph scenic curving roads that are frequented by pedestrians and cyclists, with no regard for human life. This guy even posted youtube videos of his reckless driving.

                    http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/..._125_mile.html
                    The roads around here are constantly bending and turning and often provide very few opportunities to over take them using the other lane without doing so very quickly/aggressively. In fact, the main road where it's always a PITA in the summer when bicyclists are out in droves is called "Curve street". It's not usually a problem when you can always see oncoming traffic in the other lane to pass them but a real PITA when it's constantly curving.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by mattthemuppet View Post
                      hey all - I appreciate that cyclists can be annoying, that they can get in the way and that they don't always follow the rules of the road to the letter (huh, much like alot of road users in general) but they're still made of flesh and blood like you are, they still have family that they love and loves them.
                      Riding as much as you do on public roads, what safety gear do you wear? I don't mean the obvious, a helmet.

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                      • #86
                        When it comes to riding two abreast, California has an odd law that should complicate things: The Three Feet for Safety Act - California Vehicle Code 21760. CVC 21760 requires motor vehicles to leave a 3-foot margin while passing a cyclist if possible.

                        The onus is placed on the auto driver to change lanes, slow down or change lane position to give a bike 3 foot margin. When two bikes are in the bike lane and they are riding side by side the left rider is often very close to the automobile traffic. In an ideal world the autos would shift left to accommodate this behavior. In reality, it's seldom feasible. In our city we have narrowed the lanes to allow adding the bike lanes.


                        Dan
                        At the end of the project, there is a profound difference between spare parts and left over parts.

                        Location: SF East Bay.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by danlb View Post
                          When it comes to riding two abreast, California has an odd law that should complicate things: The Three Feet for Safety Act - California Vehicle Code 21760. CVC 21760 requires motor vehicles to leave a 3-foot margin while passing a cyclist if possible.
                          Most states have an equivalent law.

                          The onus is placed on the auto driver to change lanes, slow down or change lane position to give a bike 3 foot margin. When two bikes are in the bike lane and they are riding side by side the left rider is often very close to the automobile traffic. In an ideal world the autos would shift left to accommodate this behavior. In reality, it's seldom feasible. In our city we have narrowed the lanes to allow adding the bike lanes.
                          Unfortunately, many motorists don't fully understand this law. Some think they cannot cross the centerline when overtaking a bicycle, or that the presence of oncoming traffic is an excuse to ignore the 3 foot passing rule. Most motorists also don't realize that they are allowed to cross a solid yellow centerline to give a cyclist the required clearance.

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                          • #88
                            It just seems like it would be a very silly law to require cars to provide the clearance margin without a complementary section that prohibits bikes in areas where there is not 3 foot of clearance available. After all, if that's an important safety margin it should apply 100% of the time.

                            Dan
                            At the end of the project, there is a profound difference between spare parts and left over parts.

                            Location: SF East Bay.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by reggie_obe View Post
                              Riding as much as you do on public roads, what safety gear do you wear? I don't mean the obvious, a helmet.
                              Lots

                              On the bike - 3M reflective tape in different places to catch light at different angles (side, front and rear quarters mostly), On-and-flashing rear light that's visible from at least 1/2mile, flashing front light which has a similar reach.

                              On me - fluoro socks that are a complete embarrassment, fluoro jersey, helmet mounted ~600lm front light that saves my bacon each and every ride (a quick flash into a car that's screaming up to a junction or is about to pull out usually stops/ slows them down), helmet mounted cheapie rear light just to get some light higher up (one response to an incident I mentioned earlier), Camelbak mounted 100lm rear light on beacon mode, bright red Camelback (backpack style water bladder) with reflective strips.

                              The biggest safety gear however is between my ears. I'm constantly checking my 6 for shadows, cut-and-shutters and shelter, especially when I'm coming up to junctions where cars can pull out in front of me, turn across me or cut in and turn. I'm always aware of what's around me and I always assume someone will do the most stupid thing possible. So far at least that's kept the grass under me feet.

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                              • #90
                                You could ride something like this to wake away the focus from your fluoro socks.

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