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    Anyone ever go on Alibaba and look at prices on equipment straight from China as opposed to buying from an importer .many places used to require buying many units but now some will sell single units .I'm not planning to purchase but it's interesting to see some of the pricing found this mill for 3500 pretty sure it would run a bit more here. try to post a pic but I can't get it to work from a tablet can't seem to drag n drop in the album anyway here is one mill 3500 for 3000 of you buy 10 or more https://m.alibaba.com/product/606450...-original.html

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    1440 lathe https://m.alibaba.com/product/504492...nch-Lathe.html

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    • #3
      One of the big differences between the various importers is quality control. Some put a lot of effort into it and others very little. If you buy direct from China, YOU are the only one who is going to be doing that and YOU may have to ship it back to China if it does not measure up. And a buyer of only one machine may not have much leverage in negotiating for a repair or replacement. An importer who buys dozens, hundreds, or even thousands of machines each year will have a lot more. And part or that higher price that you pay them is for warranty repairs and replacements.

      And, of course, there's shipping costs.

      I'm not saying don't do it. I am just saying you should be aware of the potential problems.
      Paul A.
      SE Texas

      And if you look REAL close at an analog signal,
      You will find that it has discrete steps.

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      • #4
        Quality costs money, don't think you can get much quality in a new mill for $3500.
        Mike Hunter

        www.mikehunterrestorations.com

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        • #5
          I wonder if anyone ever has done it.Its really buying in the dark.I wonder what the shipping costs and how much will be broken by the time it gets to your door.

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          • #6
            I'd guess it would be $10,000+ (on top of the price) to get a single unit to your door. You can't just place an order and wait for it like on Amazon. You'll probably need an importer/agent to receive it after it goes through Customs, pay tariffs then arrange shipping to you. It will come in a mixed container that will have to be unloaded and separated. There will be a lot of hands to feed before it even gets on a truck in the US to be shipped to a terminal near you.

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            • #7
              Many years ago I bought a Seig KX3 direct from Seig. Little Machine shop was not selling them yet. The KX3 is the Mach3 based CNC Mill.
              At the time Sir John S was involved in the importation etc in the UK and was happy with the units he was seeing. One arrived with a few problems that were obvious. I believe they were related to the tool holding. After many months of learning and frustration it was determined the the Z axis had a major problem that required a ground up rebuild , re-engineer. If I recall it was that on the dovetail the appearance surfaces were ground and the sliding surfaces were rough machined. I located at least another one with a similar issue. Life got in the way and 10 years later it’s still in pieces and may never get rebuilt.
              After extensive discussions with Sir John we came to the conclusion that they may save special units and ship them to places like Canada where they know they are never going to be returned.

              Lesson learned. I am convinced the majority of the KX1’s and KX3 are great little machines but if your get a “special one” and don’t have an importer to do the quality control you are screwed. If I was a skilled machine rebuilder with a full shop of tools I could fix it but for now it sits on the shelf of broken dreams

              Merry Christmas to all.

              Dave

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              • #8
                If you purchase a single machine many Chinese manufacturers ship you their factory rejects.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by CCWKen View Post
                  I'd guess it would be $10,000+ (on top of the price) to get a single unit to your door. ....
                  Probably not near that. A whole container ships from china for much lower than that, you would pay a fraction, and the remaining shipment to you probably would not add too much.
                  2730

                  Keep eye on ball.
                  Hashim Khan

                  Everything not impossible is compulsory

                  Birds are NOT real, they are spying on you

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                  • #10
                    Read this and you'll see it can reach into the thousands quite easily on your first one-off shipment. It details all the steps and possible fees. And if Customs decides to do a detailed inspection on your "create", you pay the fee for that too. They may want to make sure you're not importing weapons. And don't forget the now 25% tariff. Not to mention the possibility of warehouse fees while it sits. That alone can get into the thousand$. Best to get a door-to-door quote but there CAN be fees on top of that.

                    https://cargofromchina.com/sea-freight/

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by CCWKen View Post
                      Read this and you'll see it can reach into the thousands quite easily on your first one-off shipment. It details all the steps and possible fees. And if Customs decides to do a detailed inspection on your "create", you pay the fee for that too. They may want to make sure you're not importing weapons. And don't forget the now 25% tariff. Not to mention the possibility of warehouse fees while it sits. That alone can get into the thousand$. Best to get a door-to-door quote but there CAN be fees on top of that.

                      https://cargofromchina.com/sea-freight/
                      I scanned that site, didn't see too much on actual $ estimates. As of 2015, someone was asking about this at https://www.quora.com/How-much-does-...-North-America.

                      Looks like shipping a 40 foot container (empty) to L.A. would run over $2600 and nearly triple that to the East coast. Like CCWKen mentions, then add all the weight, customs and other fees, it can get quite steep.

                      Probably best to talk to a freight forwarder or NVOCC for details.

                      Dan
                      Salem, Oregon

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                      • #12
                        I've really wondered for awhile now how they do freight and shipping . I do some business with China for some products I make and my usual shipping cost China post or e packet is like a 1.20 - 2 dollars and gets here in two weeks same thing here would be at least 12 bucks

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                        • #13
                          From AliExpress, an 11" x 19" lathe is $2281 plus $316 shipping:
                          https://www.aliexpress.com/item/CQ61...4-9f52a95b2d29


                          A milling machine is $3117, plus $316 shipping:
                          https://www.aliexpress.com/item/ZX75...9-6ce1d011b1aa


                          A 16" x 30" lathe is $8716 plus $316 shipping:
                          https://www.aliexpress.com/item/C614...a-44438e30c5c7


                          A 7" x 14" mini-lathe is $540 with free shipping:
                          https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Top-...4-9f52a95b2d29


                          However, other sellers show about $5000 for shipping on larger lathes, and the lower cost shipping quotes apparently are just port-to-port, not including taxes and tariffs and other expenses.
                          http://pauleschoen.com/pix/PM08_P76_P54.png
                          Paul , P S Technology, Inc. and MrTibbs
                          USA Maryland 21030

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                          • #14
                            That 16 X 30 lathe looks closer to a 24 x 60.
                            Kansas City area

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                            • #15
                              About 12 years ago I had a 40' container shipped over from the UK, it cost about $4000, that included delivery of the container, waiting while it was loaded and then carriage to the container port in the UK. I had to broker it at this end and arrange pickup from Vancouver and delivery to the nearest freight depot to me. That cost another $500, plus another $100 to have it picked up from there and delivered to my property.

                              About 8 years ago I had a large lathe and some other machine related items shipped over from the UK. I had crated these items up over there and to have the crate picked up and dropped at the container port, then shipped to Vancouver and brought up to the nearest freight depot cost about $3000. The crate was about 4'x4'x10' and weighed at least 10,000#s and this was when oil prices were at a high point.

                              From this you can see that a whole container is much more economical than a part load, so finding others that were looking to do something similar and sharing the container could be a big saving. Going for a 20' container would save a bit, but probably much more than just half.

                              I was recently looking at CNC routers from China, a pretty decent looking router with a 4'x8' capacity was about $5000 US depending on features and the shipping cost to Vancouver was about $500. I found the same machine from a dealer in the US for about $10,000 and the shipping to me was going to be about $3000, so there are big savings to be had by doing it yourself. As others have pointed out you are at risk of problems, though these can be minimised by very clear communication on the buyers part. Several posters over at CNC Zone had done similar with largely positive results, other than when they had failed to get the details completely nailed down.

                              I would just add that I went through a broker for the more recent partial load and that would have added something to the cost of shipping in that case.
                              Last edited by Robin R; 12-24-2018, 08:34 PM. Reason: Additional info

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