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  • OT: The destroyer Fitzgerald's collision with a container vessel

    A recent, highly readable account of the destroyer USS Fitzgerald's collision with the container ship MV Crystal off of the coast of Japan in June 2017. A disturbing tale of missing organizational cohesion, loss of distributed command oversight, over-reliance on malfunctioning/maladjusted/misunderstood radar systems, lack of applied basic seamanship, etc. Ship and crew were simply not ready to leave port - but were under orders to do so. The mishap cost the lives of 7 US sailors, and injured 3.



    This is a _long_ read (at least 60 minutes), but a completely absorbing one:

    https://features.propublica.org/navy...crash-crystal/


    The damaged Fitzgerald:




    And a (shorter) Wikipedia article on the collision:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Fi...stal_collision
    Last edited by tlfamm; 02-10-2019, 12:01 PM.

  • #2
    I wonder if that awkward looking top plate was put on after they had to cut into an area that might be otherwise inaccessible.

    like maybe they had to use it to retrieve bodies and then just put a patch lid back on after the fact ?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by A.K. Boomer View Post
      I wonder if that awkward looking top plate was put ............
      You mean the light colored one near the top that looks just like the one on the port side? I'm guessing not.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Fi...-TX154-258.jpg

      Steve

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      • #4
        The white item should be a phased array presumably for radar.
        1601

        Keep eye on ball.
        Hashim Khan

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        • #5
          Originally posted by SteveF View Post
          You mean the light colored one near the top that looks just like the one on the port side? I'm guessing not.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Fi...-TX154-258.jpg

          Steve
          Weeeel that pretty much blows that theory out of the water - overactive imagination again, just did not look like it "belonged"

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          • #6
            Amazing that there a transport ship that can just pick it up and bring it home.

            https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...LR483-047).JPG
            .

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            • #7
              Right song - wrong ship...

              https://youtu.be/9vST6hVRj2A

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Mcgyver View Post
                Amazing that there a transport ship that can just pick it up and bring it home.

                https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...LR483-047).JPG
                Saw it in person when they brought the USS Cole home to Pascagoula.As I understand it there are also much bigger versions as well.
                I just need one more tool,just one!

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                • #9
                  If there's any lesson to be learnt from this, it is to have enough Mk1 eyeballs on duty when in busy shipping lanes rather than rely on radar.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by old mart View Post
                    If there's any lesson to be learnt from this, it is to have enough Mk1 eyeballs on duty when in busy shipping lanes rather than rely on radar.
                    And don't issue order to rush through. And, presumably, stay on the bridge, it's your ship..... Then nobody has to worry if they should wake you up or not.

                    I saw that a day or so back, and it looked as if there wa blame enough for all levels.
                    1601

                    Keep eye on ball.
                    Hashim Khan

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by J Tiers View Post
                      And don't issue order to rush through. And, presumably, stay on the bridge, it's your ship..... Then nobody has to worry if they should wake you up or not.

                      I saw that a day or so back, and it looked as if there wa blame enough for all levels.
                      And not just with the Navy either-

                      https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-...ald-collision/

                      That's the thing about Fuster Clucks,usually everybody is involved.
                      I just need one more tool,just one!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by J Tiers View Post
                        And don't issue order to rush through. And, presumably, stay on the bridge, it's your ship..... Then nobody has to worry if they should wake you up or not.

                        I saw that a day or so back, and it looked as if there wa blame enough for all levels.
                        When the problems are systemic, as they appear to be here, the blame should go directly to where the responsibility lies, the top level.

                        Of course, it never does.

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                        • #13
                          Maybe that way up in Canada. In this case the CO was relieved of his command and was disciplined along with the XO and Chief, which effectively ends their careers.

                          Steve

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by SteveF View Post
                            Maybe that way up in Canada. In this case the CO was relieved of his command and was disciplined along with the XO and Chief, which effectively ends their careers.

                            Steve
                            And does nothing to address the systemic problems.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Mcgyver View Post
                              Amazing that there a transport ship that can just pick it up and bring it home.

                              https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...LR483-047).JPG
                              Cool. Doesn't that by definition make it a boat rather than a ship? I remember this was the reason 300' WW2 fleet subs were called boats, because they could be picked up by a sub tender.
                              Location: Jersey City NJ USA

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